Talk:Aliso Creek (Orange County)/GA1

GA Review
The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.''

Hi, I am reviewing this article for GA. I am impressed with the number of references and the amount of information you have compiled! I have the following initial comments and may add more later. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 03:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC) Other than these formatting issues, the article looks good. I did a little rewording for clarity. I hope you don't mind. I also combined a section of choppy sentences into a paragraph, and broke up a long paragraph into two for readability.
 * Comments
 * All references must be formatted with publisher, author (if available) access date etc. I have formatted several of the references using the Template:Cite web to give you an idea. You can choose another format if you want, as long as all the references are formatted consistently and contain the required information.
 * References always go after punctuation, that is, after periods, commas etc.
 * If possible, try to put references at the end of sentences, unless doing so would give a misimpression about the source of the statements made.
 * I have reduces the size of some of the pictures to default size. They all need to be made smaller, except the one in the infobox.
 * Pictures should go in the section that has the information pertaining to the pictures.
 * It is possible that you have too many pictures, more than this article can handle, what with the legend and all. Pictures should not overlap sections the way they do now.
 * http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/cvm-cgi-bin/latlongdist.pl - this link is dead
 * Also, if you choose to use dashes, please see Mos:Dashes and scroll down to Spaced en dashes as an alternative to em dashes for the proper format, which is having a space on either side.

&mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 03:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I was able to fix the dead link. Thanks for reminding me. themaee (talk) 17:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

&mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 03:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It is better now that you have cut it down alittle. It was rather dense with information before. &mdash; Mattisse  (Talk) 20:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * The article is coming along well.
 * Some of you reference sources are not reliable, e.g. chamber of commerce-sounding city web sites. I don't think you need them anyway, since you have many good sources.
 * Be aware of overlinking still. You do not need to link a town name, for example, more than once. And it is questionable whether a word like "canyon" needs to be wikilinked. Ask yourself if the information in the wikilink really contributes to the understanding of the article for the general, English-speaking reader.


 * I used the "chamber of commerce" websites because I did not know if it's acceptable to cite something from Wikipedia itself. themaee  22:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it is not acceptable to cite something from Wikipedia. Have you read Wikipedia: Verifiability and Wikipedia: Reliable sources? There is also a Reliable sources/Noticeboard‎ where you can post questions about sources. The reliability of a source depends in part on what you are using it for. Sites like "chamber of commerce" websites may be  ok for some simple facts, like mileage.  &mdash; Mattisse  (Talk) 22:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * More comments
 * The references still need to be formatted consistently. I have fixed quite a few of them, but some of this still need work. See Citations of generic sources.
 * The article is still over wikilinked. Common words such as right bank, fertilizer, urban, suburban, schools, pipeline, bridge, commerce, agricultural, civic, industrial, recreational, residential, transport, utilities, vacant do not need to be wikilinked. Link the name of a town, or a river, the Pacific Ocean etc. at first mention only. See MoS:Overlinking and underlinking.
 * In a few places, the prose needs work. Example:
 * Despite these flood protection measures, however, a bottleneck is found in the very lowest reaches of Aliso Canyon, where heavy development of Laguna Beach has resulted in several major developments being built within a 25-year floodplain, and in conjunction with a sharp westward bend of Aliso Creek and narrowing of the canyon with extremely steep and unstable slopes, produces an area that the creek water, during floods, has difficulty moving through. - this sentence is way too long and complicated

&mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 19:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Will pass the article. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 21:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! themaee  22:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)