Talk:Alkaline Trio

Discography
I reckon the Self Titled album and Remains should be in a separate section, 'Compilations' (given they are compilations and not 'proper' albums), and the current Compilations section should be renamed 'Appearances on compilations'. Chipstick 16:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Time to Waste
I stumbled upon this song on the net by chance. I don't know the band, but what are the credits for this song on the album? The melody in the piano introduction is a blatant rip-off of Rachmaninoff's First Suite for 2 pianos, op. 5 (second movement). --JFS 21:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC) Where would one go about hearing a clip of that? (Not the trio song, but the Suite) --WaveTheFinger

The credits are in the Crimson album article 216.8.133.31 (talk) 23:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Side projects
Does anyone think it's important to add a new section about Matt Skiba's side project Patent Pending

Not really, but a small link somewhere in the article would do the trick. - WaveTheFinger

"Patent Pending" is the name of Matt Skiba's side project's first album. The name of the project itself is "Heavens" -Ch33zm0ng3r 06:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Satanism?
While technically accurate, saying Matt practices Satanism isn't ENTIRELY true, as he said in an interview he simply was a member just to freak people out/piss them off. Give me your thoughts, and possibly revise the first paragraph.

I am changing it to "reportedly practice", feel free to change that. I've read the interviews where Matt claims to tell people he's a Satanist just to piss people off, too. IMFromKathlene 02:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.

No offense but if you are a real fan you would know this is a satanist group or rather 2 members out of the 3. Knowing this will make most of the songs make allot of sense. Say in the lyrics he says he has lost his faith. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.17.165 (talk) 07:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Uhhhhh you are completely wrong. Skiba is an atheist. Please do not try to misrepresent facts and then claim we are not "real fans". Skiba bought Grant and himself membership cards as a joke for Christmas (If I can remember) or something like that.--Wick3dd 06:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Elgin Punk
Before these guys were known nationally, they were known in Chicago as the band from Elgin. Maybe they should be described as being from Elgin (where there was a big punk scene) rather than Chicago.
 * Are you talking about Elgin, IL? END


 * Yes this is a relatively true statement, though they were definitely involved in the Chicago punk scene. The band is more than punk rock, they are pop punk and goth, alternative as well, maybe some others, emo fits but doesn't help much. Xsxex 17:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Atom Willard
it says on Atom Willard's stub bio that he was a former member of the alkaline trio, yet there is no mention of him in this article or on the bio on iTunes.. is this a misprint or something like that or was he in the band? someone please clarify Jds10912 01:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Almost 100% certain he's never been in Alkaline Trio. The only ex-members I know of are Rob Doran, Mike Felumlee and Glenn Porter, I've never read a bio of the band that even mentions Atom Willard. Edward Nygma 12:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes he was, not for an album but for some tours he was. Angels and airwaves bio includes Alkaline Trio as one of his previous bands.  You know what, google "Atom Willard alkaline trio."   If that doesnt convince you i give up.
 * Hes in the video for private eye.
 * He was the drummer for Alkaline Trio for a very short time; not enough to even be noted, to my knowledge.

Is Alk3 emo?
If we take the meaning of 'emo' to be a shortened form of 'emotionally driven hardcore punk or emotional hardcore', then Alkaline Trio fits the bill, especially with their older albums. Lachatdelarue (talk) 20:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I think emo is one of the worst music terms ever created. Just for prespective though, Rolling Stone has them down as emo Link --Atsquish 15:34, August 2, 2005 (UTC) END


 * Their old songs were dubbed "emo" before that term came to be commercialized and overused. Their newer albums aren't really considered emo. END


 * Urgh. All music is emo.  If it wasn't, what would be the point? END


 * There more of a pop punk band. END


 * No way are Alkaline Trio a pop punk band there is no pop at all. Alkaline trio and heavy punk END


 * 've heard worse "pop punk," but I think there's a stereotype of any punk band that goes into the mainstream must be labeled "pop punk." It's really all a matter of opinion. Frankly, I like who I like and I don't give a rats ass who calls them a sell out. Punk rock is dangerous territory for debates, though, people are always ready to throw down over defense/offense of whatever band. I've seen more passive debates over the State of Israel! Poisonouslizzie 19:00, 2 February 2006 (UTC) <--- P.S. I L-O-V-E that "all music is emo" comment! END


 * AFAIK NOFX, Rancid, Bad Religion are pretty "mainstream" (well... sort of, as a hell a lot of people know em) but I've never heard anyone call them pop punk. Anyway, Alkaline Trio ain't emo. Maybe light punk or something. Nowadays the word "emo" is associated too much with people who cut themselves ("I wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself" etc) so... coming to my conclusion... IMHO it's the best to keep the "punk rock" there and not scare people away by calling them emo. --HJV 03:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC) END


 * punk rock that talks about death and heartbreak sounds like emo to me Mr.Rotten END


 * They sound nothing like 'emo' bands such as Silverstien, ect, they are straight up pop-punk. END

To the person above me. I think you forget the original meaning of emo. I think it should be listed in the genre under punk, but not in the paragraph. Maybe we could put like Emo(ealrier albums) or something.

All music has some sort of emotion in it, which makes the term "emo" significant to all forms and genres of music. I hate it when people argue about stuff like that. Secondly...just because something is melodic does not mean you have to directly label something "pop-insert genre here". "Pop" was intially just short for popular, as in popular music...Alkaline Trio aren't really that popular yet. If we all must catergarize them....why not just leave it at "melodic punk", and thats it. --69.204.107.78 15:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)katie
 * This is the same as to say 'Indie' isn't a genre, because the namenclature is derived from the designation 'independent'; or 'grunge', as most acts classified in that genre have more in common in the lifestyle and fashin sense than in any musical sense. nevertheless, it has become a valid genre and can be used as classification. That being said, there is nothing about this band that falls under the category of punk rock, other than a loose interpretaion of the fashion. Strictly musically speaking they absolutely do not belong in this genre. As to appropriate placement, I would support emo, or some offshoot thereof.

Alkiline Would Not Be Any Close To Pop Punk Or Any Punk Catagory...Alternative, But Not Punk...Lets Put Them In A New Catagory..."Gloom Rock"...Its Not Emo, And It Fits Their Image.-Rubot...8/10/06"END"

I somewhat agree with Rubot, but only in the sense that their music isn't really punk, and fits more under the Emo category. The problem is that to many people don't really know what Emo is, and assign Pop-Punk (My Chemical Romance, The Used) bands and Screamo/Post-Hardcore (Fugazi, Silverstien, Aiden) bands as Emo. I mostly assign Emo to bands like Sunny Day Real Estate, Texas is the Reason, and, to a lesser degree, Death Cab for Cutie and Jimmy Eat World, based on song content. Basically, if we place Alkaline Trio as Emo, it will mess with the scene kid's MTV-based reality, but its a closer truth than placing them as Punk. - Mitch Strand ... 11/7/06

Alkaline Trio isn´t punk rock at all. They are pop-punk/emo.

Arguing over a band's genre is pointless. See "Removal of Emo" Below - Ch33zm0ng3r 08:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

some modifications
In the discussion of "From Here to Infirmary," I'm certain they made a video for "Private Eye." It was a collection of live videos... I'm almost entirely sure it got play on MTV2. But, I'm not 100 percent sure about that. I'd like to add that, so if anybody is sure of which station played it.. I think that should be added.

Also, I'm moving the line up about the Mike Felumlee / Derek Grant switch into the 2000-2003 category. Grant joined in 2002 and played with Alkaline Trio for the 2002 Warped Tour, and also on the fall tour of that same year.

I saw a live video for Private Eye on Kerrang!, thats what got me into them in the first place. It's on their website if you want to watch it. - Rob 11/04/06

Yes, there's a video for "Private Eye". It's a compilation video, taken from live concerts and the such. I beleive Atom Willard, the current crummer for The Offspring and Angels and Airwaves, is the only drummer in the music video.

Split with Blue Meanies
There's a very rare 7" containing a cover of the Cars song "Bye Bye Love" which isn't mentioned in the article. I can't find suffient information at the moment, but I think it should be mentioned. Aviddd 17:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Removal of 'emo' reference and possible new section?
I've removed the recently added 'emo' reference in the opening line. By saying punk rock and emo band it implies they are two seperate genres, where as they are plainly not. Emo-punk is a sub-genre of punk. Please do not re-add it to the opening paragraph again.

However, it may be interesting to include a short section on the difficulty involved in classifying Alk3. We could include some references. What do people think? Welshy 14:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

My Opininion...New Catagory..."Gloom Rock"...Its Not Emo, Nore Punk.8/12/o6"END"

I like the sound of gloom rock, Someone put it in! :P

Categorizing music is nearly pointless. Modern popular music doesn't usually fit into any one solid and definable genre. There are only several major divisions in music that I feel are relevant: Rock & Roll, Classic Rock, Punk, Techno, Classical(which can be further and accurately described by the time period that it was composed), Big Band, Ska, and arguably a few others. Outside of that you can classify it personally: Rock music that I like, Punk music that I hate, Techno that sucks....etc. At the rate that people are creating categories you will have to soon justify categorizing "Alkaline Trio" as "Gloom Punk with bald bassist and guitarist with 'Song' tattooed across his fingers emo". "Alkaline Trio" has a Rock and Punk type sound, to split hairs past this point will only cause people to argue. - Ch33zm0ng3r 06:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Origins of the Name
I'm always curious as to where a band gets its name. Anyone know where AL3 got thier name, or does Skiba just have an unhealthy obsession with batteries? --DJ Citizen D 13:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

taken from this interview: http://pagirly.blogspot.com/2006/01/little-zine-alkaline-trio-interview.html

matt: we don't have a strong meaning behind our name. me, glenn, & our old bass player, rob, wanted to think of a name that we wouldn't have to deal with the problem of naming a band & then hearing of another band called the same thing & having to rename the band. we wanted to stay a three piece & wanted to stay away from monosyllabic names. like you pick a cool word & you name your band that & six months later, before anyone's ever heard of you, there's like three other bands named that. so, we wanted to be called the "something" trio, so we opened up a dictionary & got to like the third page into "A" in webster's, found alkaline & that pretty much settled it.

I've always assumed that it was a play on "basic trio." I'm so disappointed to learn otherwise. --76.89.238.106 (talk) 00:24, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Crimsons special edition?
I would add the Crimson two disc special edition to the discography but don't have the time to learn all the formatting on here yet. I know the special edition was released in Dec 2005 with a colored cover the same as the b&w with the original crimson release. The new release contains a bonus disc with 10 demos, 4 acoustic songs and 2 music videos. I saw the info about this in the one section of history and such, but thought the photo etc should be added to studio releases Sooo anyone who knows how to best add this info please do :) - Polyphonickat

p.s. I added The Rocky Horror Punk Show comp Alkaline appeared on, they have been on numerous other comps including Another Year on the Streets (multiple volumes) and the Mailorder series (Mailorder for masses, Mailorder is still fun etc).

Derek Grant as vocals
Derek's bio says he'll do vocals with Matt and Dan as well as drumming. I've added that on to the Alkaline Trio page. Feel free to comment and or remove it if you will.

Satanist?
Yeah is there a source for this? Jacknife737 15:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure non of the members are straight up Satanists either. I believe they are atheist with a devious twist...which comes out in there music. Sometimes they refer to themselves as Satanists just for the shock value.--69.204.107.78 15:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)katie

matt skiba has openly admitted to being a member of the church of satan, not satanists as such more an alternate lifestyle. there is also word of derek being involved with c.o.s. dans religious status is unknown Raycore (talk) 12:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Remains B-Sides album
Should this go under studio albums or compilations? Zeropunk16 05:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

i changed the heading for that section to "full length" so now it fits

Vandalism check
Can someone familiar with the band please confirm this edit and this edit? A user made these changes in amongst some junk changes, but I can't tell if these changes are legit or not. Chovain 03:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that looks about right, except for a small grammar and editting error. --Richardstone15 08:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

If you count alcohol and tobacco from their Asian Man days (their greatest), yeah I guess so. However, on songs like "Continental", there's an obvious reference to heroin. Blashpemy, couple songs do have some elements, (like "All on Black"), but there is too few songs to really generalize. I'd keep it the way it was. -- Mynabull 14:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there's also a song called My Little Needle, which I'm positive is a reference to some drug.

My little needle isnt really about drugs, its more a metaphore for finding your love in a crowd of people, get it? needle in a hay stack

Thanks to whoever took out the obvious spamming by someone who obviously hates the band that was just underneath the introduction. Primal14 05:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)primal14

I'm trying to figure out the connections to Angels and Airwaves, Saves the Day, and The Offspring. From what I can see, all those bands play guitars, and that's about the only connection. Could someone enlighten me? If not I'm going to remove those bands from the associated acts list. thryllkill (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

This might be a bit late to be useful, but they have performed in Saint Louis on several occasions with those bands at what is known as Pointfest 4.245.83.67 (talk) 12:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Halloween EP?
I became interested in Alkaline Trio from a friend. He gave his mp3 collection. In this collection was an album labeled as Alkaline Trio - Halloween [EP]. I couldn't find anything of this anywhere except this one place that lists lyrics for two of the three songs supposedly on this album. The three songs on the album that I have are 1. Halloween 2. Children in heat 3. Wait for the blackout (BBC session) If anyone has more knowledge on this I'd appreciate some input or research, I can't find much more than the metro DVD. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AudioStatic82 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

---The Halloween EP was given out the night the DVD was filmed. You can find it by signing up for the Blood Pact (Fan Club...www.blood-pact.com also much more stuff there), or by looking for in on EBay. Be Warned though, it is a very rare vinyl and will cost you a bunch. You'd prolly be better of joing the BP.

Genre Change
The band was listed as punk rock. If you are familiar with the punk rock genre, it is clear that Alkaline Trio is not punk rock, and any influence the punk movement had on the band is minimal. The closest classification that I could determine was Post Punk, a genre that emulates punk's general formula but is marked by slower tempos and softer spoken vocals. CDDB also lists Alkaline Trio as post punk. Solutus 06:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * See the comment further back, posted 6 February 2007 by Ch33zm0ng3r. I agree with the prediction: "Alkaline Trio has a Rock and Punk type sound, to split hairs past this point will only cause people to argue."  There have been so many edits of the genre that we may need a dispute resolution to have a discussion here to try to reach consensus; see discussion below. --Paul Erik 21:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The Alkaline Trio is not post-punk. They are not pure punk either. Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds is an example of post punk. Give it a listen and tell me you still think that.--Wick3dd 20:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Why is the Trio not playing the Chicago Warped Tour date this year on July 28th?
You definitely have to play hometown. Instead, they join the tour on the 31st in Milwaukee. Unless they are going to play a special show in Chicago instead of doing Warped on that date, they should play. --Senita Fetibegovic 21:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk pages are not discussion forums, thank you.  Darth griz 98 03:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Genre.
Look, guys, ffs, will you discuss the Genre here and stop just editing the info box? Its such a pointless edit and its all that happens to the artical, just figure it out here and lets get some proper editing done, I'm not a massive fav but I'll veture the opening of the debate: I prepose Alt-Rock. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ferdiaob (talk • contribs).


 * While I have no problems with discussing the genre, any genre that goes onto that page must be cited, so I suggest going to articles outside of Wikipedia and looking for what they are stated to be.  Darth  griz 98 16:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The genre doesnt bother me either way, I'm just tired of seeing one-word-edits. --Ferdia O&#39;Brien 18:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * And again we have an example of a one word edit. If this keeps up I'm removing the reference and I will keep doing so until a decision is reached HERE on what Genre they are.--Ferdia O&#39;Brien 23:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

As to the question of genre, here's my review of sources I could think of. I will leave it to others to figure out the implications for the genre designation here. --Paul Erik 03:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Artist Direct: punk
 * iTunes: included in "Emo iTunes Essentials" (the songs Message from Kathlene, Rooftops, Time to Waste)
 * Rhapsody: This Chicago band owes more to the shifting rhythms, undulating crunchy guitars and sung/shouted vocals of emo than to influences of hardcore punk
 * Aversion: modern-day punk, indie rock
 * All Music Guide: emotion-fueled, angst-ridden, dark pop-punk (bio) Smart, bright, punk-derived pop (crimson review)
 * Metacritic music: rock, alternative
 * Stylus (Crimson review): They are the stand-outs of a genre that two years ago I wanted to name “Margeracore” as an industry standard. It’s a genre where the pop sensibilities of the chart friendliest side of emo get mixed in with Vans-sporting sk8 rock, and so you have the distillation of black nail-varnished teenage guitar-me-do in 2005. Except Alkaline Trio aren’t chasing any zeitgeists here: they’ve been standing in this place since 1997. They’ve just been waiting for the rest of the world to catch up with them.
 * Lost at Sea: pop-punk (review of Maybe I'll Catch Fire) 4-chord evil punk rock Chicago gone West sounds (review of Good Mourning)
 * PopMatters: horror punk (review of Crimson)
 * The A.V. Club: pop-punk (Crimson review)
 * Jam!: pop-punk (Good Mourning review)
 * NME: Skate-punk, Thrashcore (Private Eye review) Punk, rock (From Here to Infirmary review)
 * Piero Scaruffi: punk (earlier albums) punk-pop (Crimson)
 * Alkaline Trio on MySpace: Punk
 * This is why it's so hard to call a band one genre when they have changed genres or have a lot, I'm at a loss for what needs done. The only thing I can think of is try to find something like rolling stone or aol music that has their genre.   Darth  griz 98 02:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * AOL: "emo, punk-pop, punk revival"
 * Rolling Stone: "Alkaline Trio mixed up classic punk and classic noir" (on Good Mourning), but evolving into "delivering action-packed guitar grooves and hooky, harmonized choruses" (on Crimson) --Paul Erik 03:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it appears that they are some kind of punk at least. From there I guess we need to make a consensus and decide which source is best.  Darth  griz 98 03:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that punk rock should definitely be mentioned, because punk-pop and punk revival are sub genres of punk, so they can be covered under the punk rock genre. They same goes for horror punk and skate punk I also think that alt rock should be included as that is a separate genre of music. I think that emo could also be included if you provide the all music guide as a source. DavidJJJ 20:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

On their MySpace page, the band (or their label and publicists) describe its genre as punk. I think enough other sources have also used that term, for us to give them the benefit of the doubt and keep the article saying "punk rock" as it does currently (and just use the one term there to keep things simple). My reading of the sources is that critics are increasingly using the term pop-punk to describe their more recent work, especially with Crimson. So I think it is fair to have "pop-punk" in the infobox, as it also currently does. Adding extra genres in the infobox does not take away from the flow of the article. --Paul Erik 17:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * "Alternative rock" is not a good way of describing Alkaline Trio. Alkaline Trio has always been a punk band, it's how they describe themselves on their MySpace page, whether it's pop-punk or emo-punk, it's not "alternative rock" (ie Garbage, Weezer, Radiohead, etc) Furthermore, they have always been on punk labels: Johan's Face, Asian Man, and Vagrant.  They tour with 90% punk bands, they sing songs about punk subjects like poverty, drug use, skateboarding, cops, etc.  They also mostly cover songs by other punk bands (Misfits, Smoking Popes, One Man Army, Hot Water Music).  They have an occasional song that doesn't completely fit the "punk" formula, but there is no doubt they are a punk band.  They are also members of punkvoter.com.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.171.91 (talk) 05:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Themes, ect.
I think it should be mentioned (possibly in the first paragraph) that a lot of Alk3 songs mention vampires, since this is defiantly a predominant them e in their music. 24.172.145.199 20:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)kbernard2010, may 8th 2007

Kings Deeds and Evil Seeds
sorry guys im not that much in the know on this band. Found that "stub" via a vandalism bot talk page. apparently the entire thing is fake (although it also shows up in list of alkaline trio albums page as well). and it had been blanked (instead of deleted) by an unregistered user which the bot undid. the unregistered user claimed 'vandalism due to it be fiction' on the bots talk page (which is not a valid defense per se but....

i was going to request speedy deletion due to not finding ANY info on the "album" anywhere on the web (had just 3 total hits, one the wiki piece, one not helpful and one a disscussion thread about the wiki entry). this is the discussion thread http://www.alkalinetrio.org/alkboard/index.php?PHPSESSID=88bd5c2bd6dd06d16f860460068ddb21&topic=2774.0

that thread seems to make it fairly clear the creation and promotion of the "kings deed..." wiki entry is bogus and vadalism. [possibly a bootleg or just 100% fake]. Hopefully someone here will pick up the torch and make corretions i ASSUME are needed with a better understanding of the history of those disputed songs and a certainty that nonexistant piece of work is really vaporware. thanks for your time/help Childhoodtrauma 01:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Heather Gabel
Should Heather Gabel get her own page instead of being a sub-section for Alkaline Trio? Her work as an artist in her own right would seem to more than justify it. --Rmwhittaker101 (talk) 05:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Elgin, Not McHenry
As stated above, the band is from Elgin, Illinois, not McHenry, Illinois...I might sound picky since McHenry is so close, but a bit more accuracy is never a bad thing. 4.245.83.67 (talk) 12:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Time To Waste, Burn, All On Black and Help Me genres
Well, I think that at least this musics are NOT punk. Time To Waste is Alternative Rock-directioned, with a riff that remains to Alternative Metal. Burn it's Alternative Rock. All On Black it's a kind of Horror Punk, or Gothic Rock. And Help Me it's Pop Punk. I don't see "Punk Rock" in a lot of other musics from them, and i'm saying that musics because are singles and the "genre" can be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergiohsilva (talk • contribs) 23:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * This is all your own opinion, and thus original research. Information in Wikipedia articles is to be based on "reliable, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", not on editors' opinions. Please stop changing genres to suit your own point of view and without citing any sources to back up your changes. --IllaZilla (talk) 23:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Fine, but based on what you to say that these songs are purely "punk rock"? And why do you edit what I had left in the articles of songs like "All On Black" and "Stupid Kid" is about Matt being the lead singer and Dan being the background vocalist? This is not opinion, just listen to music that you can see. And I wanted to leave that to not let people who do not know the band or the music confused (as I at first wanted to know some music that Dan sang, and all that I would appear that the two sang. And lastly, why edit what I put on Dan being the lead singer in tracks X of an album and Matt being the lead singer on tracks Y? This appears in the page of the album Good Mourning, why not the others? Grateful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergiohsilva (talk • contribs) 02:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It shouldn't. The album notes don't do track-by-track credits, so neither should we. "Just listen for yourself" is original research: you need to cite a source that gives these credits. The infoboxes say "punk rock" because that is the genre that both the band themselves and secondary sources most often associate them with. Regardless of what the genres are, when you decide to change them but don't back up the change by citing a source or even stating a reason in your edit summary, then it's clear you are changing them to suit your own point of view which is not acceptable. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * "The infoboxes say "punk rock" because that is the genre that both the band themselves and secondary sources most often associate them with.". Okay, I did not say that the band itself is not "punk rock", only these songs. But just because the "band said" doesn't mean we really have to take into account. Linkin Park, for example, says that was never Metal but their first two CDs are purely Nu Metal. And what sources indicate that these songs are just "Punk Rock"? Thanked, and sorry if I seemed coarse and at some point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergiohsilva (talk • contribs) 22:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't just say "the band said", multiple secondary sources give the band's primary genre as punk rock. As it stands these articles are far from complete: they need reliably-sourced sections that discuss the songs' composition, style, and critical reception, including what genres the sources describe them as. But the point is that you're changing the genres based solely on your own analysis and point of view. If you'd like to start expanding the articles with reliably sourced content, be my guest; The infoboxes can then be updated to reflect the genres described by the sources. But unexplained, unsourced, POV-based changes are grounds for an immediate revert, regardless of whether the existing genres are sourced. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Slapstick
Hi See the article is locked, can somebody change the slapstick link to the band please, it goes to the comedy atm Also, why has the slapstick family tree page gone, it was a good page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.31.176 (talk) 20:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It was deleted by WP:PROD. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Angels & Airwaves?
How is AvA in associated acts? Does it have to do with Matt Skiba's side band The Hell with Atom Willard? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.23.62 (talk) 20:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, they shouldn't be. Atom filled in with the Trio on tour after Mike Felumlee left (you can see Atom in the video for "Private Eye", which is made up of live footage) but was never a "member" of the band, and this predated AvA by several years. The Hell should be listed, as it's a Skiba side project, but AvA shouldn't because that's a 2-degrees-of-separation relationship. I'll remove AvA. --IllaZilla (talk) 08:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Damnesia-Compilation or Studio album?
Damnesia is listed as a studio album. I see it as more of a compilation album since it only includes two new tracks (one of the two being written back in the 90's). The music on the album (aside from the two aforementioned tracks) isn't new-just re-recorded in a different manner, thus technically making it a compilation if anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.73.116 (talk) 05:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Wrong. Damnesia consists entirely of new recordings of the songs, arranged in semi-acoustic renditions. They are all-new recordings made specifically for Damnesia. The fact that most of them are old songs makes no difference. It does not have to be new material to qualify as a studio album. It is certainly not a compilation album: A compilation album is compiled from previously-existing recordings (which may or may not have been previously released), it does not consists of all new recordings made specifically for that release. --IllaZilla (talk) 05:52, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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Why are you restoring incorrect information to the article? The singer is from McHenry, the band is from Chicago. Your edit removed a Rolling Stone reference from the article that confirms this. Just search it on Google. Dartslilly (talk) 06:12, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Let's not put Matt Skiba as a "former band member" until he actually leaves the band, please.
There were several parts in this article which implied that Matt Skiba was a "former band member" and that his tenure with the band ended in 2015. That was the year he joined Blink-182. However, he did not leave Alkaline Trio. In fact, Alkaline Trio recorded an album in 2018 with Skiba, which would not make sense if he had stopped being involved in 2015. Let's please not push the idea that he is no longer a member of Alkaline Trio as of the day he joined Blink. Not only is he still a member, he's still the only original member and the main songwriter. NightmareSnake (talk) 15:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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He is from Offspring, Social Distortion, and Against Me!. I believe he will bring good things for the band. 2600:1004:B215:5FBE:4138:8025:DC88:6C89 (talk) 03:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)