Talk:All-time tennis records – Women's singles/Archive 1

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This article is now completed after working on it here User:Navops47/sandbox3 really to compliment the men's version here Overall tennis records–Men's Singles please feel free to check and refine the article project members feedback welcome.--Navops47 (talk) 06:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Help needed
An editor User talk:Bgwhite has altered the article which has now left the article with lots of table's missing or just blank in whole sections his edit summary was about mixing and matching with AWB but if he wasn't happy about it OK alter the article but keep it's appearance looking right I have tried to put it back correctly but can't do it can another editor take a look at it and hopefully reverse it correctly.--Navops47 (talk) 02:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Have corrected back to original.--Navops47 (talk) 04:13, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Strange table
Maybe I'm missing something here. In the table under Career all tournament records/Tournament streaks how can Navratilova and Graf have won 13 consecutive titles but only been in 9 consecutive finals? It seems that at a minimum they would have had to be in 13 consecutive finals to have won those 13 consecutive titles. That entire consecutive finals chart seems out of whack... was it vandalized? Or did the titles/finals columns get switched? Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I had look at the table and thanks for pointing it out however in reseraching Navratilova to check stats she actually made 23 consecutive finals 1983-84 according to the WTA here: http://www.wtatennis.com/40love/article/3147284/title/no1-spotlight-martina-navratilova which I didn't know I assume that stat is reliable? I have added it in now. Obviously we may find that earlier players may have equalled that figure or surpassed it I'm thinking Lenglen, Wills Moody and the likes but I don't have enough source books anyway hope your well?--Navops47 (talk) 05:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure of that WTA 23 in a row... it includes a 4 player exhibition event that I would have excluded and made it 22 in a row. Wills was in 29 finals in a row (winning 25 in a row). I'll have to look up Lenglen. All is well with me. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:43, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Off Topic Its 6.45 AM here in the UK have not woke up properly yet can you double check them and change if you have time appreciated--Navops47 (talk) 05:53, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I started checking and they were horribly wrong... the title streaks too. I deleted the offending players. But while the totals may be correct, the rankings may not. Margaret Court may have longer streaks or perhaps Mo Connolly. I just have checked their totals. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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I am proposing that this article should be renamed and changed to "All-time tennis records womens's singles as a follow on from this discussion here: Talk:Overall_tennis_records_–_men's_singles.

Based on these dictionary definitions

all-time (ôl′tīm′)

adj. Exceeding all others up to the present time: an all-time speed skating record. all-time
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adj (prenominal) informal unsurpassed in some respect at a particular time: an all-time record at the Olympics.
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W/O
I am expending the "Match win streaks per event". If a players opponent does not play it doesn't count. But for Lenglen don't play the semi final at Wimbledon 1924, The next year she won the title. Stops het winning streak with her walkover or does her wins in 1925 counts for her winning streak? My point of view is that her winningstreak ends in 1924. Micnl (talk) 08:39, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Match win streaks per event
Below is the table and skips

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In 1924 it was not a walkover. Wimbledon considered it a default and a loss. The same thing happened to Helen Wills at the 1926 French Championships and Wimbledon. They were called defaults and were losses. But another thing. I believe that if a tournament has an event and you aren't there, your streak ends. You can't skip. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. As it is the Grand Slam match streak table for individual events in the article might mislead a casual reader. I would prefer all streaks in the table to exclude missed tournaments but if it does include non consecutive streaks have a note about it to let casual readers know.Mobile mundo (talk) 14:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The winning streaks by Steffi Graf there is one of 26 with ends by walkover of the oponent (1988 US Open) by the winning streak of Federer at Wimbledon ends a streak not with a walkover but the walkover only don't in the total. At my point of view The 26 winning streak of Steffi Graf has to be 40 (5*7-1+6). --Micnl (talk) 17:27, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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Youngest Oldest
Just because ladies' age is hushed up, it's no reason not to mention who's the youngest to win a tournament and who's the oldest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.90.143.36 (talk) 06:19, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's just that there is so much to do on tennis articles that it simply hasn't been done yet? And the youngest/oldest to win a tournament is likely never to be found because of so many small events in the early days of tennis. We don't have it for the men either. Do you have some information we aren't privy to? Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Fixed a few chart overages
It seems a few charts had a top 11 or top 13, just to accommodate a player someone liked. Almost all are top 10 or top 5 and I corrected the offending arbitrary charts. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:26, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Also now, the first set of charts were wrecked and reverted back to correct status. Some other charts are also being messes up with numbers removed from Doris Hart. Remember that defaults are not the same as walkovers. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:04, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Defaults and sources
Per sources, a default is a loss for a player. Rules in tennis change from time to time but we can't apply today's rules to past champions. If a player simply does not show up for a match on time they are defaulted with a loss. If they have an injury, a walkover is given to both players, which counts as neither a win nor a loss. But defaults are different. When players were given a default in the distant past, sources tell us they were losses and streaks were snapped, such as with Helen Wills. We can't change the past. We can enter it as sourced and use an asterisk to footnote the fact. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:49, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


 * We are apllying the rules that Wimbledon itself and ALL the tennis authorities apply. Yet, you cite some amorphous, bogus, unsourced principle to preserve grievous errors. Do you actually read the sources cited? You appear to be guarding this article and perpetuating errors. For example, on the match winning streaks, I examined the draws and counted the matches. But you mindlessly revert. Are you in favor of of imorovimg this horrible article or guarding turf?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:EF43:6100:ADFC:3310:14F:60DD (talk) 11:16, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Cite the source which says that a pre-match default counts as a loss. That certainly is not the position of the Women's Tennis Association or Wimbledon itself. Yet, you want to ignore these reliable authorities in favor of what exactly?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:EF43:6100:ADFC:3310:14F:60DD (talk) 11:22, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

multiple anon IPs are changing player names.
I'm not sure why but we seems to have an anon IP changing player names away from direct links and against consensus. I asked for page protection but I think someone else already did so. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:21, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems to me that the player names should follow the article titles which means that most changes are incorrect, with the possible exception of Arantxa Sánchez Vicario.--Wolbo (talk) 13:37, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Why are some players' names in font style bold?
... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.121.5 (talk) 03:11, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Usually it's because they are still active or their streak is still active. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:02, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Cut off at 10 records
The system for the top 10 seems reasonable but is missing at least in the: Match wins (consecutive) which has only 6 records. In others though it creates a certain anomaly e.g.: ... consecutive titles all Majors have this down to 2 consecutive except for the US Open ... finals per event where for the AO it counts down to five, FO to four and US Open to six but it is nine for Wimbeldon Antipodenz (talk) 07:21, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Winning % per event
The minimum is currently set at 20. I have argued in the equivalent table in the men's article that this is too high as it discriminates from those who attended the same number or more tournaments as others but who played less matches due to number avialable to play at the time (and other reasons) and suggested it should be 14; the number of which equates to the number of games to be played at two tournaments in the current era and have a perfect record. Antipodenz (talk) 07:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Title leaders per decade
Not clear why there aren't decades represented pre the 1930's Antipodenz (talk) 07:25, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Double country recognition
When it comes to counting major tournament wins (for example) they are accorded to one country because the citizenship at the time is relevant; for whole of career records ( as an example) recognition of more than one country of citizenship may be relevant. In this article there appears to be no discrimination of this so, for example, when Navratilova is clearly playing as a US citizen she is recorded under two flags. Antipodenz (talk) 07:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

First opportunity to achieve a record
Certain years are recorded that make clear when a particular achievement was possible e.g. Career Golden Slam and career super slam but they are not provided for career slam or Grand Slam (request they also be included). Antipodenz (talk) 07:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Year tournament first Open to women
The introduction advises the initial year of each tournament but does not advise when this event (women's/ladies singles was first introduced); this should be made clear in the same section as it is a fundamental issue to the article. Antipodenz (talk) 07:33, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Grand Slam tournament date applicability
There is no reference to advise the years of Grand Slam recognition for the tournaments (other than the comment in relation to the FO) nor the reasons that support such recognition. Antipodenz (talk) 07:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Most titles in a single tournament
Kathleen Nunnely (Wikipedia page in this name) won 13 NZ national singles titles consecutively from 1895 to 1907. Request this be added to the relevant table. Antipodenz (talk) 07:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:02, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

French Open titles
Chris Evert has 7 French Open titles 74.78.33.204 (talk) 12:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)