Talk:All About Eve (band)

Live In Bonn DVD
Just done a page for the "Live In Bonn 1991" DVD, and (I hope) added all relevant links. As Warne Livesey was the keyboard player for this gig (and, presumably, the whole tour) I've also added him to the personnel sections of the other All About Eve pages. Although he doesn't have his own page yet, I've added links in anticipation of one being created. Dom Kaos (talk) 17:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Album Pages
There are now separate pages for All About Eve (album), Scarlet and Other Stories, Touched By Jesus, Seeing Stars and Keepsakes. I will keep at until they are all done. Fairy Light Nights is next. A1octopus 20:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I've created one for The Complete BBC Sessions: as I say in its discussion page, I feel Wikipedia is as good a place as any to clear up all the confusion about this album's (non-)availability. I've just Googled "All About Eve The Complete BBC Sessions" and found two sites saying it's "temporarily out of stock", at least three implying it's available for immediate dispatch, and one saying it's "no longer available from us" - seeing as the Julianne Regan herself has repeatedly explained on various internet forums that the record label aren't returning their calls to enter negotiations about appropriate royalties, it looks like this may become one of those legendary lost albums Dom Kaos (talk) 00:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Julianne's page
Have vastly extended the Julianne Regan page as of 17/3/06 - a1octopus.

Goth
I think the 'goth' comments are a bit POV. I think British and American goth are quite different. The former extends into indie and melancholic music, whereas say American goth and I'm thinking Marilyn Manson et al. I may be wrong (almost certainly am wrong re US goth) but I think it's more debateable than you make out. I was a fan of AAE and I considered them to be mildly goth - gothic indie folk I suppose ;-) --kingboyk 23:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * They were certainly happy to headline at the Whitby Gothic Weekend a year or two ago, so whatever the situation in the 80s, they were linked to the UK goth scene a little more recently. Mrph 09:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm of the opinion that the "not goth" section should probably be removed; since their mainstream debut with "Martha's Harbour" I don't recall hearing them described as anything else. They certainly seem to be very popular on goth compilations, books about the subject (eg Mick Mercer's efforts) and so on for a non-goth band... — Chris  (blather • contribs •  e ) [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom (3-5).svg|20px]] 23:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You are wrong in the american and british usage of the term goth. There is a goth scene here in america, I can vouch for that personally, and most people do not even call mariyln manson goth except for the parents of kids and newcasters lol please. Sometimes, you will have a "spooky kid" or two that uses the term "goth" for their crappy metal but for the most part no they are not different. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.166.222.58 (talk) 07:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

Julianne & Tim
I have created stub articles for Julianne Regan and Tim Bricheno. Please help by expanding and improving them. --kingboyk 19:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Overblown Adjectives / Only The Facts Ma'am
Just a note to those editing, don't overdo the adjectives. The page is meant to be a informative not an advert for the band - so whilst one word saying something is (eg) mellow ; overdoing it with more words such as 'superbly mellow' are not necessary. It comes across more as fart worshipping (thinking everything an artist produces is fantastic, & without criticism) rather than a more impartial pov. In other words, describe the music in terms a newbie to the band might need to know about their sound, etc, but not enforce your viewpoint on how 'fantastic' the band (or whoever/whatever) is - that's a subjective pov, not a objective one. One person's fantastic might be another's crap. Also make sure you know the real facts on something before stating it as gospel truth. Just because you've heard something vaguely sounding trueish doesn't mean it is. Do some research - its what Google is for. :) The Yeti 03:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure the article ever came across as fangirlish/boyish. I don't even remember any instances of worship like you describe in the article; I do recall that TbJ was called something like an energetic and rocking album, but obviously that doesn't imply personal fondness unless in possession of a severely limited vocabulary. :) - 194.89.2.102 16:01, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Some quotes from earlier edits :

"... Scarlet and Other Stories was released, ... Widely prevalent on this album (maybe even in such effect as to overthrow the melodic nature and pop hooks of the first album) were Regan's somber ..." is subjective. What whoever wrote this's opinion on the comparison of the two albums is, is not necessarily a widely held belief. Prove it is, then it should be entered. Otherwise should be left out.


 * What the... a widely-held belief is in itself a huge POV and awfully subjective. The NPOV is a POV, and if you dash around the site arbitrarily removing any semblance of points of view, you will most likely end with a pile of horrid lists, not brilliant prose. - 194.89.2.98 11:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It was the personal POV 'maybe even ... overthrow ...pop hooks' line I thought overcooked. For a start it either is or isn't, not maybe. And secondly this is just one person's view of the album (which personally I think is an incorrect interpretation, but that's my POV - but then again I wasn't posting my interpretations in the main article either). And finally, its overly-convoluted prose.


 * If something is widely held to be true then it overcomes a singular POV. Is the first album of melodic nature & full of pop hooks ? I'm sure a dozen AAE fans would have a dozen opinions ! The Yeti 14:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

"... Touched By Jesus in 1991 - easily the most energetic, rocking album they had made - before changing ..." Again subjective - it is written from one person's pov. Again prove this is widely believed. It could say "a more rocking album", but the use of "easily" is what makes it subjective.


 * I know what you mean, but I think the sentence was pretty right &mdash; the other albums are kind of mellow in comparison? In any case, one should probably describe the album in some way since the TbJ part seems pretty bare and the album is pretty much passed by without notice in the text. - 194.89.2.98 11:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Add a few details if you want !

"Ultraviolet's ... turn the Eve signature sound ever colder, almost onto the road of minimalism." Ditto. I for one don't believe it is minimalist.


 * That's your POV. Besides, it says "almost". ;) However, acceptable. - 194.89.2.98 11:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * 'Almost' is neither one thing nor the other :) All I'm editing to do is to try an limit some of the overblown hyperbole, the getting carried away with how 'into' the band or album one person is. Its the N in NPOV which is important on Wikipedia :) The Yeti 14:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

"A Winter's Tale, and (an almost irreverently minimalist electronic take on) the popular song ... Walking in the Air." Almost irreverently ? A personal pov. And four words to describe one song is OTT.


 * "OTT"? - 194.89.2.98 11:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This one even pre-dates the web ! ... OTT

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The Yeti 02:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

TOTP Appearance
I had heard that they refused to mime, rather than there being any technical error. At least that's what a program I saw said. If you watch the performance the guitarist is miming but the singer is not.


 * Then you are wrong ... go check your facts. This performance is well known among aae fans - join the fan yahoo group http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/allabouteve/ and ask ! Julianne may even answer you direct.
 * To quote an earlier edit "Julianne was traumatised by this incident and does not refer to it to this day." This is utterly wrong, and Julianne in fact finds the incident amusing. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/allabouteve/message/19690
 * The Yeti 02:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be some confusion about the second appearance (the one where it didn't go wrong) - an anonymous poster has recently added "to play live" to the line "By way of compensation the band were invited back on to the show to play live the following week". I've watched the video a few times today to check: Julianne's definitely singing rather than miming, but I'm almost certain that Tim's still miming - there's definitely a backing tape, as there's a second guitar part and some atmospheric ocean sounds. It's a minor point, and I'm most certainly not dissing Tim (one of my fave guitarists!) but do others agree? Dom Kaos (talk) 16:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of page for "The Complete BBC Sessions"
There's a discussion going on at the moment about whether the page should be ditched: join in here
 * ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 14:12, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

EPs
What constitutes an EP ? Iceland is more like a short LP, whereas Phased is more of a maxi-single (and after a recent edit appears in both the EP and single lists). RGCorris (talk) 13:18, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See also the Iceland discussion page RGCorris (talk) 13:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)