Talk:All Dogs Go to Heaven 2

Untitled
I added the infobox to the article to give it more of a presentable look (also uploaded DVD cover). I also removed the very large summary, that appeared to be taken from somewhere else. I replaced it with one I wrote based on my knowladge of the movie, and several other sites with a synopsis of the movie. Feel free to change it around, but the original was just way too long, and I know who would want to read that gordonFreeman from halflife 1&2 dies!!!1

I also added some formatting to the paragraphs, and added some bullet points to some of the lower sections.

As for the released date, I found two conflicting reports of the release date, but I just left the one that was in the article previously, if anyone can find the final information, please post it in here what it is, and update it accordingly. Lightdarkness 00:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Christmas Carol

Christmas Carol
All Dogs Go to Heaven Christmas Carol in britan is called an all dogs Christmas Carol should this be added? No

Singing voice
According to IMDB, Charlie's singing voice is done by Jesse Corti, can anyone tell me if this is true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.2.129 (talk) 19:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is true. ;) CarrieOkie86 (talk) 13:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I tried.
Apparently Wiki folk like to stick with info given out at the time of a movie/show's release by its company, even if that info is wrong. Fine by me! In this instance, Sasha is obviously not an Irish Setter, but whatever.

Ah. Thank you to whomever edited her breed with a little explanation--yes, regardless of what MGM may have said, Sasha looks like a Saluki and not like an Irish Setter. (Although it is more a matter of overall impression than of one or two individual things such as ear shapes or coat lengths, which can always vary, the correction & the reasons given ARE correct--everything about her design says Saluki.) CarrieOkie86 (talk) 02:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I suppose it’s appropriate to leave the following brief explanation in the summary (even though it doesn’t affect the plot):

(There has been debate over Sasha's breed in the movie because of her Saluki-like physical appearance, but she is officially labeled as an Irish Setter by the company. An example of this intent being her purposefully designed reddish-brown coat and smaller stature.)

That’s what it says at the moment. Still, I feel the need to elaborate on that here. First, whatever the official company sources’ reasons may have been for saying Irish Setter, Sasha LaFleur is very plainly a Saluki. (I only accept correct information, regardless of the source.) They may have had that intention when choosing a red-brown coat, but that doesn’t make her a Setter; Salukis come in her color (indeed, in a vast array of dog colors) and look far more like her. As for the “smaller stature” mention, I don’t see the point there at all. It happens that Sasha is a perfect size to be a Saluki (a breed that varies greatly in so many ways.) An average female of both breeds would probably be very similar in size/height--perhaps around 25”, possibly a few more or less. Many female Salukis are quite small. So if the author of the above comments sees her as having a “smaller stature” in comparison to something unspecified, well, it has nothing to do with the filmmaker’s intentions regarding her breed. Sorry for being a bit long-winded, but I wanted to clarify the “debate.”BellatrixKidriver (talk) 15:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC) I agree she looks like a Saluki, and while I have yet to find viable information supporting that the company actually said what breed she is, all of her appearances could easily point to an Irish Setter as well, it's called cartooning, it's not always going to look exactly like anything, Charlie doesn't look EXACTLY like a German Shepherd, Annabel doesn't look exactly like a whippet (note the GIGANTIC floof of hair). So, she's not CLEARLY anything with all the room there is for variation. Why not a mix? She's a "street dog", she could plainly be a variant of both. You and and the author to the quote above could both be correct in your arguments. I work as an illustrator, and have always been a die hard fan of animated movies especially All Dogs Go to Heaven, even if the 2nd one unfortunately contained no work of Don Bluth, and can appreciate the fact that influence can come from a variety of sources. While she easily looks like a Saluki, she could easily be an Irish Setter too, I see an influence of both in there judging by their appearance. Her design is not all that complicated either, pinching and pulling could have occured. Take a look at this:http://www.animalrentals.com/images/Poochies/IrishSetter.jpg. That could just as easily draw influence, just as a Saluki. I did some research more into any other encyclopedia entries other than wikipedia that contained information on this movie, and all of them indicated Sasha as an Irish Setter. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/All-Dogs-Go-to-Heaven-2. I'm willing to see either view though, the breeds both carry similarities and differences that could have formed Sasha, and while I would like to tend to stick with the companies original breed intentions as being the true breed of Sasha (whatever breed that may be, Saluki or Irish Setter) I think it is very naive of you to automatically assume that Sasha is "very plainly a Saluki" or "Sasha looks like a Saluki, and not like an Irish Setter"Amber2916 (talk) 06:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand you completely, and you make excellent points. First, the reason that all sources say Irish Setter is because that’s what the company said--it’s on the VHS/DVD cases, in the books that were released for the film, etc. Now, I’m not saying that they lied and did not base her design on that breed in any way. They may very well have never even heard of the Saluki! My point is simply that, in the end, they actually cartooned and adapted their way into a character bearing far more resemblance to an entirely different breeds than the one they started with and/or intended to draw. I think they would probably shrug and admit that if they knew or cared, but it really doesn’t matter at all. I simply think it’s something that might be of slight interest to fellow ADGTH fans, which is why I point it out. That’s all.


 * Second, you are absolutely right about cartoons! As a rabid fan of them, I’m extremely familiar with the stretching, exaggerating, changing, tweaking, and so forth that’s involved with character design, and with the fact that animated characters are never exact replicas of real things. They’re not supposed to be, thus the term ‘cartoon!’ What I meant is that, if you want to pick one breed to identify each character (which is what was basically happening, with the two names being changed back and forth), I cannot imagine saying that any breed is as much or more essentially like Sasha than the Saluki. Naturally, she or any character could be a mixed breed--with influence drawn from different animals. Again, I’m not saying that they didn’t use a Setter as a *basis*, and indeed that’s what they gave out to describe her; I merely think that she looks very little like one. It’s just that that always confused me a bit, and I had to guess that they probably wanted to provide a pretty well-known breed, knowing few people would bother questioning it or be able to identify anything closer.


 * I truly don’t mean to argue, that’s not my intent! Being a dog lover, I sometimes disagree with breed labels, but ultimately it’s all for fun. I don’t necessarily trust the “official source” every time; they also called Carface a Pit Bull, when he’s more of a Bulldog or a blend of those. I understand that most people prefer just to write whatever the movie companies originally said, regardless. I can appreciate this. It’s the simplest way, after all, and while I may not always exactly like it or believe it to be correct, it’s a way of simply reporting what was said in the past, without passing judgment on it. There are always spots such as this to make notes and newer observations about the info! So, while to me there’s truly no question here, hopefully we can be at an agreement now. :] BellatrixKidriver (talk) 15:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Mistake
Just recently watching the movie, I noticed a mistake in the scene Carface and Charlie first met on Earth. After Carface shows his collar, Charlie questions where he got it. In that scene, Charlie is wearing the magic red collar even though he's not even met Red yet. I don't know if it should be added or what but I'm just putting up what I know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.208.211 (talk) 01:20, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Anymore people who put gordon freeman's death into wikipedia will have their post deleted
So apparently someone was still here to do the joke, I deleted their post, anymore people who want to put the joke in here, it's confirmed, the cast wants the joke to stop. It's over.--3nic5535 (talk) 21:26, 24 July 2020 (UTC)


 * 98.188.50.17 (talk) 17:17, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ( 71.121.247.120 (talk) 12:45, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ( 71.121.247.120 (talk) 12:45, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey, what's been going on?
Just wanted to know. — comment added by ATPStorages (talk) 10:30, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * you mean the whole Gordon Freeman thing? Oh yeah, There's this YouTube series called "half life vr but the ai is self aware" basically half life but in vr and the npcs are being controlled by another player. In one of the episodes, one of the characters makes a joke about adding Gordon's death on the wiki page for ADGTH2. when the episode came out, everyone flocked to the page to edit Gordon's death in. due to that, the page is protected until 2021. that's basically it in a nutshell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefreeencyclopediathatnoonewillevereditagain (talk • contribs) 15:50, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The wikipedia article for all dogs go to heaven 2 is actually semi secure until 2022 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.191.13 (talk) 19:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * And now until 2023, because I guess it's still a problem. 206.176.80.29 (talk) 17:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Why
Why is everyone obsessed with Benrey editing Gordon Freeman dying in this article that they got the article protected for editing? It was funny, but it got ruined when even WayneRadioTV himself had to ask everyone to stop.

Iceflame248 (talk) 03:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Kids, which is weird, considering Half-Life's fanbase is comprised of people of mature age. -Chazpelo (talk) 18:19, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Saying that HL fans don't watch HLVRAI because it's "comedy for kids" (it isn't btw) is like saying WH40K fans do not watch TTS series because it's not serious grimdark. I can guarantee you that most HL fans that found the series loved it.
 * The reason why some decide to continue vandalising the article is simple: some people are just like that. 2A01:118F:56E:EF00:EDC3:9653:1856:7DE1 (talk) 22:29, 15 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Its worth noting that Half Life fanbase is not the same as HLVRAI fanbase. HLVRAI, being a light-hearted comedy series released on YouTube in 2020 amassed many young viewers because of how silly yet funny it is. Most half life fans don't watch HLVRAI because they want an intense and tricky puzzle game which is what Half Life is, not the children's laughing stock that's HLVRAI.

potential solution to the HLVRAI problem
Maybe we could all meet in the middle and end this madness by just saying that All Dogs go to Heaven 2 was mentioned in HLVRAI? 9/23/2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1709:20E2:55D0:D828:7B03:4FC6 (talk) 15:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Lots of things are mentioned in lots of other things. Usually, this is trivial and we ignore it. As a rule, if the mention is discussed in independent reliable sources, we might include it. If it isn't, we don't.
 * So, if the HLVRAI reference to the ADGTH2 article isn't worthy enough, I'm guessing that the Scott the Woz reference to the Madden 08 article isn't worthy as well. -Chazpelo (talk) 05:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If someone is obsessed with adding it anyway, letting them add it is not "meeting in the middle", it's giving in to a disruptive editor. After repeatedly saying "no", we block them from editing. - Sum mer PhD v2.0
 * Well, it's gotten to the point where it's bound to be edited in after the edit lock decays, so you'd might as well throw it into a little subheading? - User:Hawksbydesign —Preceding undated comment added 19:28, 17 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Quick update, worked up a simple draft. You can view it Here. --Hawksbydesign (talk) 21:49, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I salute the effort, but unless there's actual reliable source coverage of the fact that this article gets vandalised, it's just not suitable for inclusion. Many Wikipedia articles are regularly vandalised, we don't solve that by elaborately mentioning that fact in the article. If the article needs to be semi-protected indefinitely, it's really not a problem with a subject like this - significant new information about an old film isn't exactly coming out regularly. ~ mazca  talk 11:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't some pages have a "References in Popular Media" section? I mean considering this is frequent enough of an issue that this page had to get locked over it, it's definitely noteworthy. Something like "In the youtube series Half Life VR but the AI is Self-Aware, Benrey tells Gordon Freeman that he edited Freeman's death into Wikipedia. When asked what page, he states it's the page for All Dogs Go to Heaven 2".--68.114.66.6 (talk) 01:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Quick update: Someone's created it! Hawksbydesign (talk) 18:52, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

In popular culture
Is there independent coverage of HLVRAI's mention of All Dogs Go To Heaven 2 to warrant the inclusion of an "in popular culture" section? I can't seem to find anything that establishes it as particularly significant after a quick search, but it's still definitely possible that I missed something. MpParie  (Talk)   (Contribs)  18:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)


 * It's a compromise to stop the HLVRAI fans from shoving it into the actual article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8E00:61E0:7397:F525:631D:3239 (talk) 19:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't understand how compromising with vandals is productive. MpParie   (Talk)   (Contribs)  23:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It'll stop them from being vandals. Slambo 312 (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism Concerns
Sigh...  The block on editing has only just been removed, and people are already adding Gordon's death again. Would it be worth setting the lock to what it was before, and keeping it that way? --Hawksbydesign (talk) 17:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It hasn't even quite expired yet, the most recent piece of this particularly tiresome vandalism was by someone with a sufficiently old account that they were eligible to edit the article. The article protection will indeed be extended assuming it continues when it does expire next month. ~ mazca  talk 22:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2021
Gorden Freeman dies S l4r1 (talk) 00:12, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. What does Gordon_Freeman have to do with this article? RudolfRed (talk) 00:21, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit: 'Half-Life VR: But the AI is self aware' meta reference
Add "Gordon Freeman's death" to references section. This is a reference to the YouTube series 'Half-Life VR: But the AI is self aware', where a character claims to edit the death of Gordon Freeman into this Wikipedia article. I suggest putting it at the end of the references section, that way it doesn't impede upon the legitimate information contained in the article. 4Bakers (talk) 03:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: don't see why this is relevant to the topic of All Dogs Go to Heaven 2 itself, but this currently seems to be in the relevant page Half-Life VR but the AI is Self-Aware so it is in wikipedia in some form melecie   t  - 04:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Potential section about the HLVR Incident?
I can’t edit it in myself since my account isn’t verified and therefore not allowed to edit because it’s semi-protected, but here is my idea of a section about the HLVR incident.

On March 23rd, 2020, Twitch Streamer and Youtuber WayneRadioTV released Act 2 Part 2 to the series known as Half-Life VR but the AI is Self Aware, a improv comedy parody of the popular 1998 game Half Life. 31 and a half minutes into the video, series antagonist Benry makes a joke about editing the death of series protagonist Gordon Freeman into the Wikipedia article of All Dogs Go To Heaven 2. After the episode released, wide spread vandalism of the actual real life article occurred, where many fans edited in the line "Gordon Freeman Dies" at the end of the plot section. This resulted in the article being semi-protected to prevent further vandalism. Mr.Pikachu The Madman (talk) 18:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I think it's way too long. For example the "Popular culture" section in the Dzhugdzhur Mountains article is as following:
 * '"Mikhail", (also known as "Misha") most commonly known as Heavy Weapons Guy or The Heavy, from the 2007 FPS video game Team Fortress 2 lives in a remote log mansion in the Dzhugdzhur Mountains.'
 * Something shorter would be required, if even added that is. I don't think a reference to that is needed in the first place. Mr. PouLS (talk) Mr. PouLS (talk) 13:58, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I did something stupid once and I already expected it to get removed
Yeah, I made one VRAI reference and tried to edit it after to remove it, not three minutes later, it was deleted

Because of this, apparently there are MORE people editing this page that I'm not even affiliated with. I apologize for you poor souls having to deal with idiots like me AidanWaydan (talk) 08:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I understand that this is absolutely not a discussion forum, but I still wanted to say that because I just now realized how absolutely ridiculous this got within minutes of being unlocked AidanWaydan (talk) 08:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I see many trouts in your future, Aiden. Welcome to wikipedia, and next time, please use the sandbox for silly edits. MountainKemono (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2022
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Of the universe (talk) 16:30, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Current Meme Culture
In half-life but the AI is self-aware, there is a reference where Benry mentions editing that "Gordon Freeman dies", into the All Dogs go to Heaven 2 Wikipedia article. This led to many people attempting to input this into the article causing the article to be protected from people trying to add this into the article. Wikicrafter76 (talk) 15:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * It's not false KPDJ 2 (talk) 23:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2022
KPDJ 2 (talk) 23:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)I am almost certain that there is an error in the grammar
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Maybe a footnote should be added?
Now, I'm against the people saying to just add the Gordon Freeman thing; but I do feel that considering how this article has pretty much become tied to that half life series, there should probably be a footnote mentioning the series and the fact that all dogs go to heaven 2 was mentioned within it and caused all this. FizzleFae (talk) 11:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

As a fan of the HLVRAI series, I do believe the best compromise would be this to stop fans like me from constantly coming in to mess up the page. As I will admit I did come to do that before I saw the restrictions. Soda, it helps you see faster (talk) 05:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't that reopen the floodgates for vandalism? cogsan (talk) 12:59, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. Unless there is third party significant commentary  in reliable sources.   I can’t believe this inclusion is still being discussed.   We don’t just add trivia to an encyclopedia.  There are fandom wikis JUST for this kind of trivia.  Mike   Allen   14:59, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Even if it was included, there are only two possible places where it could go, being around the start of the article or in a single-line legacy section. Neither would be big enough to include in the first place. cogsan (talk) 16:19, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2023
Add Gordan Freeman's death MaxsValeras21 (talk) 02:54, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callme mirela &#127809; 03:33, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2023
The "See Also" tab has a dead link to HLVRAI. It says there is no Wikipedia page for it, when there is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_VR_but_the_AI_Is_Self-Aware 174.76.216.9 (talk) 11:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:23, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

footnote about HLVRAI's referenceing
should I add a fotenote about why HLVRAI is specifically mentioned on this article? would that be warrented? CookingWithNitroglycerin (talk) 15:23, 8 September 2023 (UTC)


 * added context would be nice. 173.24.247.158 (talk) 01:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll go add it. - MountainKemono (talk) 23:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding Extra information onto the see also section
Seeing as we seem deadset on creating the lamest edit war ever, Thought I'd move our discussion down here. I'm currently working on other things, but if you could supply your talking points then please do. Obligatory paging of Mike Allen. A little late, but welcome back to wikipedia! Hope your break was good. MountainKemono (talk) 14:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello. I believe I stated my point in my edit summary.  Do you have a rational for including it, other than a mention in the series?  Mike   Allen   15:26, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly, with more thought put into it? Outside of the series itself and the Wikipedia edits, not really. You've raised a good point, and my apologies for wasting time. - MountainKemono (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a waste of time, eventually a discussion was going to be needed to create consensus.  Mike  Allen   22:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * cheers for the encouragement. Do you think we should add a HTML comment into the see also section to warn any rogue IP's? - MountainKemono (talk) 15:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * IPs can't edit as it is protected until August 2024. Other editors that want to add it, probably will regardless of hidden note. But you can add one, it may help. :)  Mike   Allen   15:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Here's hoping we can lay this beaten horse to rest. (unless I broke something, in that case, oops!) - MountainKemono (talk) 15:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support removal. Having HLVRAI in the see also section didn't reduce disruption of the article, and I don't see any other plausible purpose for the link.  People coming to this article for information about All Dogs Go to Heaven 2 probably won't care about it, and fans of HLVRAI already know about it.  Squeakachu (talk) 18:22, 9 November 2023 (UTC)