Talk:All the Way (Eddie Vedder song)

Song year
If the song was first performed in 2007 doesn't it belong in Category:2007 songs?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the songs from Ten were first performed in 1990, but they are listed as 1991 songs because that was the year of their first release to the public. "All the Way" wasn't officially released to the public until 2008.-5- (talk) 04:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics
Why don't you think the following text belongs with the explanation of the lyrics. "According to at least one source, the song is reminiscent of "A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall" by Bob Dylan and much less upbeat than "Go, Cubs, Go" by Steve Goodman." --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's a critical review of the song, thus it belongs in the section relating to its reception. It is typical of song articles to put critics' comments in a reception section.-5- (talk) 04:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Take Me Out To The Ballgame image
I have asked both http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcproducts/1075149144/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/julierubes/1040246117/ to change their licensing for our article. So far one has. Which do you prefer for the article

The first one.-5- (talk) 03:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Under Armour ad
It is possible that this album and its cover art may also be an artisitic statement about the outfield advertising. Even if it isn't we may want to add an image for the recent text addition. Here are our choices: Image:Wrigley_ads1.JPG or request permission from one of the following:
 * 1) http://www.flickr.com/photos/dherholz/2544314512/
 * 2) http://www.flickr.com/photos/imfedore/583723169/
 * 3) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrbaseball2usa/1061461987/
 * 4) http://www.flickr.com/photos/the-present-is-a-gift/2789658425

Any thoughts?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't really think the article needs any more images. To tell you the truth, it may be too much of an opinion and interpretation to get into whether or not the album cover is a statement about the advertising on the wall. I think it would be best to stick to the facts and just focus on the song rather than anything else.-5- (talk) 03:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

image position
The multiple image template looks bad on the right when viewed on a high resolution screen setting. I view at 1680x1050. The page looks bad at that setting. Can we move the Vedder Cubs relationship paragraph down lower?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I switched my screen to 1680x1050 temporarily and did some readjusting. I also added some information about the background of the song.-5- (talk) 06:14, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The images are still poorly aligned at 1680 width because now the Auditorium image is no where near the text. A slight improvement would be to move the infobox up to be even with the hatnote.  That wont fix it totally though.  Either we need more text before the Auditorium paragraph or we have to think about it some more.  Of course 1024 is the most common width and it looks O.K. for that.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Does the Auditorium image have to be in the Origin and recording section? I think it looks fine where it is now.-5- (talk) 06:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Outfield signs
There is an IP edit war about the relevance of the Under Armour signs. The cover art is an important part of this article. The article as it exists attempts to fully contextualize the signs in the outfield for those who don't know the history of Wrigley field.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

The presence of Under Armour signs has absolutely nothing to do with the "reception" of the song...which is the section the information is in. The constant reverting of this change in ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.230.139 (talk) 19:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

The section is not just about the reception, it is "Release and reception". That covers the release of the single and the resulting praise/criticism of the song. Information about the cover art of the single deals with the release portion of the section.-5- (talk) 19:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

UnderArmour advertisements, their history at WF, etc... have nothing to do with the release of the album either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.230.139 (talk) 19:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Check out the discussion on this same talk page above dealing with your issue. It's under the title, "All the Way (Eddie Vedder song) GA Review".-5- (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

It still has nothing to do with the "Release and Reception" of the song....it needs to be in another section or deleted all toghether...it is totally inappropriate where it is right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.230.139 (talk) 19:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Cover art is an artistic issue. Commercialism and artistic integrity of the outfield are at issue here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but it has NOTHING to do with the "release" and "reception" of the single. I'm not sure that the two of you understand what "release" and "reception" mean in this context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.230.139 (talk) 20:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Since when is cover are irrelevant to release. Topics related to cover art belong in the release section.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Only I can say is that part is too much. It looks like the article is about the signs? the field? Also, I would discourage adding this part "The Huffington Post encourages listeners to compare the song to Goodman's "Go, Cubs, Go"." as suggested above. Its very unencyclopedic, if its the word. --Efe (talk) 08:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Tone question
Well, not EXACTLY "tone", but...Here, this sentence:

"Although Pearl Jam vocalist Eddie Vedder, who was raised in Evanston, Illinois and later San Diego County, California,[6] is closely associated with grunge music,[4] he has been a lifelong Chicago Cubs fan."

That "although..." seems really strange there. "Although he's associated with grunge, he also likes the Cubs"? That's basically what the sentence structure boils down to, when you take out the adjectival clauses; and it implies that somehow the two associations (grunge music vs. Cubs fan) are somehow mutually exclusive, or at least highly uncommon. Does anyone else find it odd, or am I just seeing things? GJC 00:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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