Talk:All your base are belong to us/Archive 3

Featured Article Candidate again
As you may have noticed in the box at the top of this page, I have put this page back up for FA status. If it's important to you one way or the other, please click the "leave comments" link here or in the top box above. ⇒ BRossow T/C 16:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

RANDOM NOTE

THIS ARTICLE IS NOT CORRECT ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US IS A CHEAT FROM STARCRAFT WHICH WAS RELEASWED 1998. THE PHENOMENON STARTED PRIOR TO 2001 TO 2002. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.146.200 (talk) 14:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Spoken word version not in article
Is there a reason the spoken word version links has been removed from the article? While it's fine to have the link here in discussion, it limits average reader access to it. I suggest it be put back in the article. It's actually a very well done reading of it. --Lendorien 22:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The spoken word version is nowhere close to the current content of the article. It was a good enough reading (ignoring the slight speech impediment, anyway) but it might as well have been randomly linked to some other article's reading, given the wholesale changes to this article since the recording was made.  IMHO, of course.  :-) &rArr; BRossow T/C 23:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Archiving and adding information
I have taken it upon myself to archive dated material from this Talk page as well as the main page, as some of you may have noticed. Specifically, I have moved all material dated prior to January 2006 from the Talk page as well as all but a few media references and all other references from the main page. Links to these archives are at the top of this Talk page.

I implore all of you to help return this article to its former quality as a Featured Article. You can do this in a number of ways:


 * 1) Refrain from adding spurious media, video game, or other AYB references except for exceptional cases that garnered significant media attention or used the phrase in a way so unique as to merit inclusion in a professional-quality encyclopedia.
 * 2) Think carefully about any information you add to the article before you add it to the article. Is it pertinent?  Does it have broad interest or is it just an in-joke between you and your clique of friends?  Does it add to the overall value of the article?  Is it integral in helping define the phrase in question?
 * 3) Carefully edit your work before adding to the article. If you know your grammar is not exactly top-notch, post your contribution here on the Talk page instead and someone else will be more than happy to edit it and add it to the main page.  It's a lot easier to do it that way than for someone to have to edit or, worse, revert the main page because of amateur editing efforts.
 * 4) Ask here before making any major changes to the structure or content of the main article. A concerted effort is underway to help this article meet Wikipedia standards and seemingly random additions hinder that effort.

Thanks for your cooperation! --BRossow 21:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!! Magic Pickle 20:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Request for references
Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the Verifiability policy. Part of that is to make sure articles cite their sources. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. The Fact and Reference Check Project has more information. Thank you, and please leave me a message when you have added a few references to the article. --Taxman 16:22, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

No citations?
I noticed this article is entirely without citations, much less solid ones. If no one feels like digging up any, I'm going to nominate this for defeaturing. Further, the varrious lists in the article and the externals are too probably a little to long. I'd fix those myself, but I don't want to be accused of mucking up the article before nominating it to be defeatured. --Gmaxwell 05:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki reference
Have you noticed MediaWiki's reference to AYBABTU on their Bugzilla page?  Just wondering. rmccue 05:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Three alternative translations
Are three really necessary? They just clutter the article needlessly. Pick the best one and comment out the other two. --Michiel Sikma 22:17, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Three is excessive &mdash; one literal and one approximating is quite enough. --BRossow 22:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I recently nominated this article for Featured Article contention again and it has been roundly panned for various things, some of which are legit and some of which are uncontrollable given the nature of the topic, but not the least of which is how very much of the article is made up of translations. I think the whole section could be moved to Talk and archived here without losing any real value in the article itself.  Maybe even split them off into a separate article.  I may consider the latter if there's no well-reasoned objection. ⇒ BRossow T/C 14:28, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's a good idea, speaking from my own experience. I did not fully understand all the references the articles was making, until I read the translations. I believe the translations are a necessary part of the article. -- Ranmin 14:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The article would, of course, link to the translations; this would simply move them to a separate page and remove a huge point of contention over its FAC nomination. ⇒ BRossow T/C 18:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above. DirectorStratton 19:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree, I believe all three translation are needed to show comparison and let people understand what was the literal meaning and the intended meaning -- Ranmin 04:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be great to get the original transcrips up again. Mamen 12:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The only translation that is necessary is the original one. The Japanese text doesn't add anything to the article, as most people who read the English articles aren't fluent in Japanese.  The grammatically correct translation can be (somewhat) derived from the original text, and doesn't add anything.  The original translation, however, is a must for the article to make sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.25.143.241 (talk) 22:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow
Must 1/2 or more of the article be simply media references? &mdash; Ilyan  e  p  (Talk)  05:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * And undocumented references at that! I removed a number of unsupported claims tonight and tagged a few more that are marginal or are relatively new additions so that those who added them will have a chance to add citations. Having said that, I agree that this article is ridiculously overloaded with references, which could be virtually infinite as this is an easily propagated phenomenon.  I hope at some point we can just say that enough is enough, people get the idea, and all but a few of the most unique or important video game, media, and other references can be eliminated.  I shudder to think what this page would look like if every single instance of the phrase being uttered were actually documented here, which seems to be the goal of some people. --BRossow 05:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This needs to be weeded down to the ones that got media or widespread attention, like the kids in that town or the ones that appeared on TV. "I wrote AYBABTU on my local highway overpass" really does not merit inclusion and will only encourage such vandalism. DirectorStratton 19:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For the sake of maintaining the records somewhere &mdash; and don't get me wrong, I agree that those references were nearly completely pointless &mdash; I am creating a new archive page to hold the removed material as a sub-page of this Talk page. --BRossow 20:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we make a seperate page? Like Wiki has a list of videos organized by how many uses of "fuck" it has, and a list of silent protagonists, why don't we make an entirely seperate page with a list of AYB references? --TerminusEst13
 * That's a good idea. I'll do it when I get a chance. &rArr; BRossow T/C 18:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This is perhaps the biggest waste of cyberspace in the 750 year history of Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.18.162.88 (talk • contribs).

External links need trimming
I've already pared back the references and translations, so now I'm giving fair warning that the external links are up next on the chopping block. If anyone cares to suggest links that must be preserved on the main page, please speak up quickly and explain your position. Remember, people, that this USED to be a featured article. Let's get it back to featured quality. Thanks! --BRossow 03:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I have done this effective today, given no opposition here. --BRossow 02:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Date questioned
BTW this phrase was a cheat in StarCraft pc game that appeared first in 1998, so it's not only 2000 and 2001 phenomenon. --GolerGkA 08:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * A single cheat code in one game does not constitute a phenomenon, IMHO. Regardless of whether or not it had a function in StarCraft before 2000, its popularity did not explode until the new millenium. --BRossow 16:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

AYB in society
I recall that during the heyday of this almost every yahoo link included ayb=btu in it somewhere. I kick myself heartily for never getting a screen shot. Nobody happens to have one do they? JohnCub 00:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't remember this, but a good place to do some searching might be at http://web.archive.org. --BRossow 01:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

The original writer/translator
Is it known who was the original writer/translator at Toaplan/Sega who coined these phrases? It's surprising that he never seemed to come out of the shadows ....

--84.115.129.76 14:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violation?
I hate to bring this up, but are the original text and animation from the game copyrighted? Fishal 16:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. In fact, it says so on the image page. --Pagrashtak 17:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Layout
Some people seem to be under the mistaken impression that articles should be laid out to suit their personal taste. That is not the case, however. Mediawiki includes a feature for exactly this purpose, see WP:CSS for details.

Alternative layouts are acceptable and indeed desirable on unusually structured pages. But this is just a regular article and there is absolutely no reason to deviate from the standard. This is one of the cases where consistency is more important than getting it exactly right. Zocky | picture popups 16:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Some people seem to be under the mistaken impression that adhering rigidly to an undocumented "standard" (see WP:GTL, WP:MOS, and Help:Section for proof-by-absence that this supposed standard is imagined) is more important than readability and overall visual aesthetics of an article. This is not the case, however, and Wikipedia has a variety of tools and options available to improve article display without detracting from the content of the article, including such simple things as . This is one of the cases where getting it closer to "right" is more important than some imagined standard for consistency.


 * In fact, I'll take a direct quote from Help:Section: "A floating TOC should be used when it is beneficial to the layout of the article, or when the default TOC gets in the way of other elements." In this case, it is beneficial to the layout of the article to have the TOC on the right as it makes the TOC more immediately visible and does not create a large gap between the intro and the rest of the article.


 * I regret risking the appearance of being argumentative, but this arbitrary and unsupported idea that all TOCs must be in the default position is not supported by the official style manual, layout guide, or the help page dealing with sections. Therefore, I am going to move the TOC back to the right, where it is beneficial to the layout of the article, as specifically directed in Help:Section. &rArr; BRossow T/C 19:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There's more on the pros and cons of floating at Template talk:TOCright and Section. The discussions urge some restraint, but I personally don't see a big problem (I wouldn't call them non-standard, the template has been around for a bit and is semi-standard, no?)  --Interiot 19:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

AYB and BSG
I've heard that someone redid the AYB sequence to scenes from the finale of BSG... anyone know where to find them? -- Jbamb 16:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC) umm....what does BSG stand for?Helo254 01:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Battlestar Galactica, I'd think.


 * That's the one; it seems to be an abbreviation that only the fans get... If you're looking for it, YouTube will almost definitely have a copy. ItaniKnight 11:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow(2)
This article has really improved since about a month ago. Keep up the good work! And the TOCRight really makes it look better. &mdash; Ilyan  e  p  (Talk)  16:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * How Ironic that I must post that right when this is nominated as a good article :P &mdash; Ilyan  e  p  (Talk)  16:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Good Article
Promoted. Very nice work -- next stop, featured article status again! Air.dance 06:15, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

new policy on internet memes proposed
Please help build policy at: Notability (memes). Thank you, --Urthogie 15:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Variations
It'd be nice to see a section on variations in general- we could use as an example the Wikipedia version of All Your Base... --maru  (talk)  contribs 03:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Controversy over CRC32 Flash video usage of images?
I recall back when I last investigated this craze, there was some serious controvercy surrounding it. The most widely known flash video, featuring a (what I thought to be a remix) of "Invasion of the gabber robots" and the imfamous image edits was done without the permission of any of the artists or properly crediting them, and a bit of a spat erupted at the time.

Although this is perhaps secondary to the subjact matter itself, it does highlight issues of copyright in the production of comedy flash videos. It also became a bit of a lesson for the community to either ask, or be accepting of your newfound fame.

I'll have a search for sources to verify this at some point, but given a few of the more notoriously wild websites may have to be dug through, it may take some time. If anyone else recalls this, or can provide evidence, please do! 147.188.27.3 22:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Tribal War? What about SomethingAwful?
Talk:All_your_base_are_belong_to_us/Archive_2

Why was this changed when I gave verification of it starting at SA? Trampled

YouTube
YouTube's AYB message was reported on IT media, which is a news site provided by SoftBank. According to the article, the message was shown since noon until 16 o'clock (JST, UTC+9) in 2 June.--Mochi 15:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Non-media references
Okay, someone went through a lot of effort a while back to cut the "AYB in popular culture" down to the verifiable references that drew some level of media attention. Over the last couple weeks, we've started to have some uncited (and IMHO non-notable) game references creep back into the article. Can we come to some kind of consensus about what is appropriate for this section?

Some people are clearly interested in every single occurance of AYB, but that would fill endless pages and would detract from an article which (at some point at least) was being prepared for WP:FAC. Perhaps it would be useful to create a new page, such as List of occurances of "All your base are belong to us", where game references can reside, and limit the main AYB page to incidents with some sort of media coverage (even CNET news, like one of the current references).

So basically, my proposal is:


 * 1) The main All your base are belong to us will only contain incidents which received some sort of media coverage (reputable internet news sources apply).
 * 2) A new article will be created, entitled List of occurances of "All your base are belong to us" (or some better name), which can contain any occurances of AYB one wishes to list.
 * 3) The See also section of All your base are belong to us will contain a link to List of occurances of "All your base are belong to us" (or, if preferred, the link can be in the AYB in popular culture section).

Quick poll?


 * Support, because it was my idea :-) --JerryOrr 11:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - well, it's been almost a week, and nobody has commented on this. If I don't get some feedback soon, I guess I'll call the consensus Support and do it... --JerryOrr 12:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Support—We can't have every single occurrance of the phrase listed here; it seems outside the scope of the project. I have no problem with a separate list, though. Ragdoll 20:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Support A full list of AYB references is simultaneously the pinnacle of absurdity and exactly what Wikipedia is supposed to document (ie: "everything"). I heartily support it. EVula 17:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I don't see a palce on Wikipedia for the non-notable and/or non verifiable cases. Let's just do 1 and not 2 nor 3. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abu badali (talk • contribs).
 * Support The main article should have several major references to AYB in popular culture, but not every single one. There are many lists in wikipedia documenting instances of a fad or occurance. I think a "lists of occurances" page can be created. --Mattarata 17:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems like we've reached a consensus. I've created the article List of cultural references to "All your base are belong to us", and I'm now going to start removing the "non-media" references from the main article. Any non-media references that appear here in the future (such as video-game references) should be moved to List of cultural references to "All your base are belong to us". --JerryOrr 13:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * JerryOrr spent time setting up the List of cultural references to "All your base are belong to us" page and once again a few (3 or 4) far less notable mentions have crept up in the 'References in popular culture' section. Does anyone object to having items 6, 7 and 10 moved to or combined into List of cultural references to "All your base are belong to us" --Mattarata 22:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

from "Related Phrases and Usage"
The article says:

... "Somebody set up us the bomb" or its derivative, "Somebody set up us the bomb" ...

Anyone know what derivative the user was intending to quote?

--Snograt 04:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed - the derivitive is "Someone", coming from a mistake in "Invasion of the Gabber Robots". Good catch. :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 05:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Bad Grammar!
The Phrase "all your base are belong to us" is comeletely and annoyingly bad grammar. It should be something like All of your bases now belong to us. Or All of your bases are ours now. Because of the word all, base should be plural, bases. the phrase are belong is incorrect. The phrase is idiotic and stupid and should be changed to be correct. Opinions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpolster2005 (talk • contribs).
 * Yes, it is bad English grammar - it's bad to the point that a lot of people think it's hilarious, myself included. That's the entire point of the fad; it wouldn't be nearly as funny or memorable if Zero Wing had been translated properly. --Sparky Lurkdragon 01:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * RTFA!! OzOz 18:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it shouldn't. Why? Because thats why it IS. The video in which this wiki is about has the correction version "All your base belong to us". It would be pointless to change it. Disinclination 01:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The fact that it's wrong is the entire point. Correcting it would be destroying it. 65.95.157.80 06:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Kilroy was here
Should Kilroy was here this be linked in the 'see also' section?

That and André the Giant Has a Posse should be. Is there any reason they shouldn't? "All your base are belong to us" is quickly becoming a contemporary and cultural equivalent. --69.162.184.145 06:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that AYBABTU is more equivalent to André the Giant Has a Posse than it is to Kilroy was here, but i can see the similarities. So perhaps both can be included in the see also section.--Mattarata 20:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I've added them both. --71.161.221.86 02:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

All Your Base flash video?
Why is AYB in flash not included in the links list? It has the best quality and smallest filesize of the ones I've seen, and I came to this page specifically looking for that, so I think it would be a good addition. Poromenos 00:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Starcraft
Was "All your base are belong to us" not a cheat in Starcraft? I think it was, it gave all your troopo's Invincibility. Should this not be mentioned? Dfrg.msc 08:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it is a cheat in Warcraft III which lets you win the game.
 * Correct. It's warcraft III with the cheat AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs


 * Incidentally, SomebodySetUsUpTheBomb (although I'm always confused by the order of "up" and "us") was also a cheat in both games, that made you instantly lose the mission. AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs was a cheat in Warcraft AND Starcraft, that makes you win the current mission. ItaniKnight 12:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually... The cheat for Starcraft was "there is no cow level". (Llxwarbirdxll 23:51, 16 June 2007 (UTC))


 * llxwarbirdxll is correct. For StarCraft the code to win is "there is no cow level" and the code to lose is "game over man." [StarCraft Codes] "allyourbasearebelongtous" and "somebodysetusupthebomb" are codes for WarCraft III: The Frozen Throne/Battle Chest, released in 2003 [WarCraft III: The Frozen Throne Codes]. Logan 19:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * WCIII AYB code allyourbasearebelongtous, and somebodysetusupthebomb, just letting ya know —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.155.151 (talk) 08:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

All your snakes are belong to us
YouTube (Base on Samuel L Jackson's Snakes on a plane)


 * Yeah, I made the picture back in March of '06. Definitely not noteworthy, but something just for the fans.  Zchris87v  04:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

All your wiki are belong to Jimbo
http://wikimedia.org

Another fansite
i removed this link, "http://www.ithasnewstats.com/anim.htm World of Warcraft based AYB tribute,"

Keep!
Well nevermind I guess no one wants to delete this, I saw a user box that suggested otherwise :) Mathiastck 04:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait hold on, why is this marked as low importance? Was that the consensus in the past?  The line marks a turning point in gaming culture!  It may outlive wikipedia, even if it's original referent disappears into obscurity.  Mathiastck 04:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Time Magazine
I'm surprised that no mention of the Time magazine cover story is mentioned. It seemed like a large event in the history of the phenomenon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arcadina (talk • contribs).
 * That Time cover - the one that's in the flash, at any rate - was Photoshopped. I think there was a mention of AYB in Time later on, and the 'shopped pic was included, but I don't know if it was a cover story. --Sparky Lurkdragon 15:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

GIF error?
In the image showing the game's intro:

Image:AllYourBaseAnimated.gif

At the line "You have no chance to survive make your time", one character appears on the screen but a shadow of the person previously there is left in front of him. This looks like an animation error; does it actually happen in the game?

I'd have linked to the image page itself rather than posting the image inline but I don't know how, heh. 65.95.157.80 06:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't remember how it goes exactly, but I'm pretty sure the foreground fades to black while CATS fades in. —Ragdoll 22:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The shadow of the captain IS meant to be there. CATS fades in, and he fades to black. It *is* how it's meant to be. ItaniKnight 09:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

YouTube links
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 04:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is one link in this article to a youtube video. The video is the subject of the article. The video on youtube is the clearest, un-edited example of the subject of the article. I will also make a case for fair use including of the video clip. The video clip is 1) not the entire game/copywritten game title, rather it is a sample of the original being used here (and even on youtube) for documentation purposes 2) the video is of lower quality/resolution than it would be in the actual game, I disagree that it should be removed. --Mattarata 21:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it -would- be fair use if it was included HERE, but I'm fairly sure it's not fair-use on YouTube...
 * A better solution would to link to a website that hosts the image, but also describes it (thus qualifying it as a fair-use). ---J.S (t|c) 22:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So if I go replicate the video on Youtube and tag it with a description that says, "This video is a sample of the opening sequence to Zero Wing" then it could be included? What is the difference? I think this is just another piece of valuable information removed from Wikipedia by the Copyright Nazis.--Mattarata 15:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The people who made Zero Wing certainly own the copyright to this clip. The video is against YouTube's terms of service, and illegal, if the clip is copyrighted. There's no recorse on YouTube if it is copyrighted, since it's prohibited. The clip gives no copyright status, and is likely a copyright infringement, and therefore we can't link to it. There is no reason to be calling people Nazis here. Dmcdevit·t 17:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There are other links in the article at the bottom that have copies of the video available. The youtube link was redundant and illegal. What is the difference? "gamespy.com" site is providing commentary -about- the clip... that would make it a legal fair-use of the clip. YouTube's primary purpose is NOT for critical commentary of the clip. THATS the difference. ---J.S (t|c) 07:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I still think you went about it in the wrong way, but I will concede that the video is served in a lesser form from the other two sites listed.
 * As to your claim that the ZeroWing makers own the clip, that may be, but as the clip is being used for scholarship purposes it qualifies as fair use, especially when it is impossible to obtain the clip in any other form directly from the copyright holder. --Mattarata 14:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Other uses
I noticed that on the website www.mess.be (for MSN messenger addons and stuff) has an image in their title that switches through various things, including "Don't mess with the Lord, mess with MSN messenger"... And one of them is "Don't mess us up the bomb, mess with MSN messenger."

Does that count as something to add to the article? - All your wikipedia articles are belong to the public. 11:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Note: Never mind, I'll stick it in the article about references to it instead...

can anyone add this?
I don't know how to edit it properly. http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9591/megamanaybabtugq0.png. It's from the game Megaman Battle Network for the Gameboy Advance (2001).
 * I don't think it would be a good addition to the article. However if you feel it really should be added, please read WP:PIC. --Mattarata 03:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

AYB in VGAs 2006
I really would think that all those AYB references in the 2006 Video Game Awards would have been notable enough to include a mention...

Recent edits
I reverted all of the last 10 edits. Everything from here to here is crap. If anyone has any objections, feel free to discuss here and I will be happy to reconsider. --Mattarata 14:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, what did you edit? I can't seem to see any obvious difference between your two links. ItaniKnight 12:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That is because there is no difference between the two links I provided. The first is the original version, the second is a revert back to the original. Look at the edits in between to see the stuff i removed by reverting back.--Mattarata 14:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, sorry. :) ItaniKnight 11:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of recent edits, what on Earth is "deleted, just like the llama song" supposed to mean? ItaniKnight

Text to Speech?
What text to speech program is used in the most famous flash animation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.123.210.30 (talk) 23:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

There are a lot of lines which are unsupported analysis
I tagged a bunch of lines with Fact because they made unsupported claims and it was non-obvious where these claims came from. --Quirex 18:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia
I know that technically we aren't supposed to add links to uncyclopedia, but on uncyclopedia there is an all your base animation that is about Wikipedia that really is quite funny. Should I add it or will it just get deleted? It does show how commonly the all your base quotes are used as jokes in culture. Thanks. Ilikefood 23:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Introduction
This article doesn't have a short and concise introduction. There is almost a full screen of text before hitting the TOC. The first two sentences, followed by a closing sentence would probably provide a nice introduction and the rest of the text could be put in a new section titled "History". Any comments? Hose502 05:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Good idea. I've taken a first crack at it. RossPatterson 07:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks great! Hose502 21:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

OH MY GOSH!!! What's with the bad English grammar in the ENTIRE cutscene???!!!!!!!!!!!
Am I the only one who notices that just about everything they say in the scene butchers the English language? NOT JUST THIS PHRASE! EVERYTHING!!! Is there any reason why the other phrases didn't become huge internet memes as well? Seriouslly, of all things in video games, bad translations by stupid people are what tick me off the most. It is lazy translators like the ones that did this, that have mistranslated many things in the Legend of Zelda series... Link&#39;s Awakening 21:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, of course you aren't the only one to notice it. Why do you think it's so popular?
 * the bad english is what makes this so popular and the mistranslations so great.--88wolfmaster 03:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

NES-era flubs
No references to "The truck have started to move" or "I feel asleep"? Where are all the 8-bit gamers? Where are Bimmy and Jimmy? -Grammaticus Repairo 05:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This article is about the specific "All your base are belong to us" phrase and phenomenon, not butchered English in general or even just in video games.
 * May I reccommend Zany Video Game Quotes for all your classic video game Engrish needs? :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 05:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Translations
What about reinstating some of the translations lost in [ this edit], now that Zero Wing (translations) has gone the way of dodo? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * I just did it. Akriasas 16:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't these go into Wikisource, seeing as they're full translations and not just excerpts? Orpheus 03:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess you could move the Original Japanese text, Literals, and Alternative "free text" translations to wikisource as long as you add a link to it and make the necessary adjustments.--88wolfmaster 07:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Notable references in popular culture
Per the comments on this talk page and the comment in the page source, I've pruned (and archived to the list page) all cultural references that aren't notable. The notability criteria established above and in the comment is "Media coverage". Personally, I interpret that as meaning that the cultural reference must include a citation referring to an established media outlet that reported on it. Referring to the reference itself (how circular) isn't enough, it has to be third party coverage. Dissent welcomed. Orpheus 23:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Babelfish translation
I agree that it's funny, but is it really necessary for an encyclopedia article? 80.235.60.139 18:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

All your base are belong to us!!
do any of you think there should be two slanted exclamation points after the title? that is how it was in the game
 * I think that's just how the typeface was in the game -- every character has a fixed width, and they wanted to full up the whole block... or something. Tsunomaru 04:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually it says "All your base are belong to us." No slanted exclamation marks exist in those few frames. - 202.86.217.25 (talk) 18:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

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chronology
1989: Zero Wing's english version is released in Europe. - The origin of AYBABTU Mid 1998: A different version of the Zero Wing .gif is posted on the now-defunct quote page at Rage Games. When the site morphs into Whazzat!, the .gif is replaced by text. Late 1998/Early 1999: The current Zero Wing animated .GIF is posted on Zany Video Game Quotes, submitted by Seymont. It begins slowly circulating the internet. - The current AYB image, and source of all this Fall 1998: Zero Wing (the arcade version) is first emulated. The arcade version is missing the intro, but the ending has a similar translation. March 13, 2000: Toaplan.com opens. The site contains info about Zero Wing and other Toaplan games. June 5, 2000: The Zero Wing Dub Project is posted at OverClocked - The first original AYB humor July 31, 2000: The Mistranslated Ship Captain becomes a guru at the True Meaning of Life. His first post is here. Summer 2000: The forums at Something Awful start to get infected. The .gif is in at least one person's signature. It gets posted with some regularity in various threads. A few people link back to the dub. Fall 2000: According to one visitor, AYBABTU was appearing on Stile Project as the title & in images. This may have been the result of Jeff K.'s hack of the site - Stile liked it and kept it a while. September 6, 2000: On the SA forums, a gimmick poster called Alf posts a picture of Alf on the phone. Starscream adds a speech bubble saying "All your base are belong to us." It's a hit, and gets posted a few more times. Here's a copy of the picture. - First AYB photo edit October 12, 2000: AYBABTU begins appearing on the relic.com forums. November 6 - 21, 2000: The Something Awful era - The Photoshop explosion, and source of a LOT of images A thread is posted - The title is "ALL YUOR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!" (yes, it was spelled "YUOR"), and the only message is "ON THE TABLE!!" By the end of the first page, the photoshopping had begun. The first image, a skeleton from Army of Darkness, was done by Starscream (again!). A copy of the first page of the thread may be found here. Thanks to clockworkjoe of the SA forums, who saved the first (and most important) page! As further evidence, this thread linked back to the SA one. Around page 10, word begins to spread. HardOCP is one of the first to link back to it. Some of the pictures are incredible works of Photoshopping (like the Times Square pic done by The Yellow Yell). Some sites, like Planet Namek, temporarily add AYBABTU to their pages. PN had it in their title tag for a couple of weeks. The first(?) two stores open, here and here. - First AYB merchandise The forums collapse in on themselves. Suddenly, the last couple of pages of the thread disappear. A short time after, somebody using a hacked moderator account deletes the first page of the thread. This basicially kills the thread, since it no longer appears in the listings. Finagler's archive of the early parts of the thread remains. People who had been exposed to the phenomeon (mostly 3D game fans) take it back to their own boards, and similar threads (often using the same pictures) are started. November (?) 14, 2000: JRR, one of the SA forum regulars, releases Invasion of the Gabber Robots, the Zero Wing remix. NOTE: I'm not 100% sure of the month - the thread is still archived, but the forum doesn't show months. It was most likely either November or December. - First AYB Music November 28, 2000: A report/poll on the US elections appears on Ars Techinca: All Your Votes Are Belong to Us!! Check the archive page here. December 16, 2000: Tribal War's thread begins. As this is one of the oldest remaining threads, they are often mistakenly given credit for starting the phenomeon. - Source of more pics, and the Flash January 12, 2001: Part 4 of "A Winner Is You," Hubert's game quote-based storyline is posted. It passes completely beneath the pop culture radar. - First AYB in a web comic January 14, 2001: Solidsharkey.com puts up a history. It's not as complete as this one, and may have some inaccuracies (WAS the Genesis version of ZW ever a US release? I can only find the info/ROM for a European version), but it is the first attempt at documenting ZW history. Note that I didn't find out about this until 10 minutes ago. February 11, 2001: Eskimo Bob posts Episode 12: AD 2101 - First AYB Flash February 12, 2001:the worlds first 'AYBABTU' inspired CD/Album was released on mp3.com by Paradise Decay. It features the Original "Invasion of the gabber robots" by kind permission of The Laziest Men on Mars February 13, 2001: memepool.com posts about AYBABTU. They link to the Tribal War thread. February 15, 2001: Bad_CRC of Tribal War releases the now-infamous music video. There are some copyright issues (permission wasn't asked to use JRR's song), but it continues to spread like wildfire. - Birth of the Flash, and most people's introduction to AYB February 16, 2001: Plastic reports the Flash video. Read the story and see comments here. Online comic EverCrest has an AYBABTU in this strip. February 18, 2001: Salamando's Stove posts an article called The Death of Zerowing, about the phrase's overuse. Seems it still has some life left in it, though... On a lighter note, web comic Avalon's guest strip features the Zero Wing dialog. February 19, 2001: GameFaqs posts a FAQ for Zero Wing (authored by Frank Provo), which includes a better translation taken from the Japanese version. id Software releases an add-on level pack for Quake 3: Team Arena. Here's a shot of a hidden message. - First AYB in a game other than Zero Wing February 20, 2001: The San Francisco Chronicle (both print & web versions) runs a story about AYBABTU. - First AYB in print OverClocked returns with a Zero Wing based comic. Around this time, "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" was accepted into Eijiro's database (I'm told it's the world's biggest online English-Japanese dictionary - the FAQ is here, but I can't read a word of it). It'll be added next update, which should be April or May sometime. February 21, 2001: Salon.com runs this story (scroll down a bit), about the US Army's use of the phrase, as well as a brief expanantion. Online comic Real Life has a (subtle) AYBABTU in this strip. Somebody chalks All Your Base Are Belong to Us on the roof of Wean Hall at Carnegie Mellon University. Photo 1 - Photo 2 - Photo 3 - First major real-life AYB February 22, 2001: The Register runs a story about AYBABTU. So does Newsbytes (a mention of the Flash movie, they seem to think the author did all the art). Story is here and here. Steve Jackson Games makes an AYBABTU related post and image, check here. February 23, 2001: AYBABTU is heard on Loveline, thanks to ShAyTaNa of the HardOCP forums. Part 1 (390k): The Prank. Part 2 (365k): The Explanation. Part 3 (167k): The Followup. MP3's converted & donated by Darren. - First AYB on the radio TechTV runs a story. They do provide a link back to SA, which is a nice change. Wired also runs a story. Kringlenet runs a story, too. And one more blurb at Netsurfer Digest. Those getting sick of the whole thing may be interested in this rant at seethru.co.uk. CATS and the now familiar phrase are seen in the background of this User Friendly strip. Gamespy.com posts this Dork Tower strip. Another strip, College Roomies from Hell!!! has a modified AYBABTU on a newspaper in this strip. Yet another one - Toonbots begins their AYBABTU ref. Segfault.org posts a href="http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3a969c70-097e9060" arget="_blank">this amusing correction. Another one at Steve Jackson Games - Due to a miscommunication, the poll for Pyramid Magazine is replaced with an AYBABTU one. February 24, 2001: Online comic Doctor Fun changes their logo to a CATS/AYBABTU one. The pic is mirrored here, just in case it gets changed. February 26, 2001: Time Magazine had a small article about it (Issue dated March 5). Scanned version here (scan by GODHED). Online version here. JRR finally gets credit! - First national media AYB As several people have informed me, the cancelled Fox TV show Freaky Links has had it's page replaced with AYBABTU. Sluggy Freelance features Somebody Set Up Us the Bomb and AYBABTU in the background of this strip. MyDivX.com posts an interesting image in one of their updates. MP3.com pulls Invasion of the Gabber Robots from TLMOM's site. They claim copyright violations, as the song uses Zero Wing samples. They don't seem to realize that Toaplan has been bankrupt and gone for 6 years. The SA thread where this is brought up is located here. AYBABTU-related posters were put up at Harvard - more information & photos can be found here and here. February 27, 2001: "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" makes its debut at #46 on the Lycos 50. Angelfire posts this page, which is where the Lycos 50 entry links. Invasion of the Gabber Robots is put back on MP3.com after they recieve numerous complaints about it's removal, and realize that Toaplan no longer exists. Finagler's archive is updated. The pics are now at full size, and the animated .gifs are included. There do still seem to be some missing, though. Neopets introduces a new shopkeeper - a cat-like CATS. Currently on the New Features page is a picture, captioned "All your Neopet are belong to us!" AYBABTU in real life - some guys put up a banner on a bridge in Australia. Another one - "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" was written in chalk all around the Georgia Tech campus. Another AYBABTU comic - check out this guest strip at PDI. February 28, 2001: The Lycos 50's article is up. Another User Friendly cartoon includes AYBABTU. The Guardian runs a story. Hmm... Mention of the Alf picture, DrEldarion's store, and credit to SomethingAwful - wonder if they've been here... March 1, 2001: The Detroit Free Press ran a story. It seems they forgot to give credit to JRR/TLMOM for the song (seemingly giving it to PlanetStarsiege) - anybody want to set them straight? NetSlaves posts a story. AYBABTU in this Soap on a Rope comic. Another AYBABTU in real life. At the University of Pennsylvania, pictures of their president Judy Rodin begin appearing. They have a speech bubble that says "All your base are belong to us." March 2, 2001: Somebody hacked Dutch Railways - All Your Trains are Belong to Us! Here's the report, and here's another. - First AYB hack Online comic Wendy gets in the now-obligatory Zero Wing joke in CUTEWendy. On the Ethermoon Entertainment forums, an employee posts a shot of the editing software for their upcoming game, Strifeshadow. See March 8 for the followup... March 3, 2001: The Daily Mirror runs a full-page story about AYBABTU, including a link to this web site! The Disco Scottie Show played Invasion of the Gabber Robots during the show - coming back from every break, as a matter of fact. - First Invasion of the Gabber Robots on radio The website for upcoming game Doom 3 launches - check the hidden text (Select all, try dragging underneath the logo, or view the source). I'm not sure of the date - IE properties said March 3, so that's what I'm using. If anybody knows otherwise, let me know. March 4, 2001: CATS-Mania infects HP: Check out the monitor on this page. - First AYB on a major corporation's page TechTV airs part of the flash. - First AYB on TV The Osdorp Posse's home page is hacked to include "What You Say?" in the main image map. The Dutch postcode lookup website was altered - ALL YOUR POSTCODE ARE BELONG TO US!! It's back to normal now. All Your Base with lasers at the Harshman dorm at Bowling Green State Univ in Ohio - Check it out here. AYBABTU is painted on Coolidge Bridge in Northampton, Mass. Photo 1 - Photo 2 On national television, someone in the crowd of the MU vs KU men's basketball game held up a sign that read "All your base are belong to us." Anybody have a screen capture? March 5, 2001: A story appeared in the Ottawa Citizen's techweekly section. Rare's web page is now showing some Zero Wing influence - hover your cursor over the title & Conker images. The Dutch website about the Euro was hacked to include "All you euro's are belong to us :-) who's next..." It's also back to normal now. WebWereld posts a story about the Dutch hacks. Some stories on World Online about the hacks and the phenomenon - The stories aren't dated, so I'm linking them here. The Phenomenon - All Your Trains - All Your Postcode - All Your Euros - Another Postcode one The Four Toon Tellers begin running a new banner ad. TheForce.net posts a story - Guess what's in it... This kind of defies description. Check the reader comments at the end. This arrangement of rocks was discovered at the University of California, San Diego campus. Thanks to Bernard for the picture! March 6, 2001: MP3.com's e-mail newsletter prominently features The Laziest Men on Mars and the AYBABTU video. mpXreview.com posts an article about the phenomeon. HugeDisk gives AYBABTU a passing mention. Computer gaming website Blue's News changes their tagline to "All your news are belong to us!" March 7, 2001: USA Today runs an article. "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" moves up 10 places to #36 on the Lycos 50. The Internet TOURBUS runs a story about the AYB "conspiracy." Not to mention changing their front page a bit... TheTripleHelix.com posts a short blurb - it also makes it into their poll (check the previous poll archive). The author of Schlock Mercenary declared he won't have AYBABTU in his strip. Ah, well - somebody had to. The Parking Lot is Full's author posts this... novelization? of the Zero Wing Intro. Kids - don't click those links. Rated M for Mature. Fourth and Inches, a comic in the Notre Dame newspaper the Observer, features an AYBABTU. I'll add a link once the page is working - it's down at the moment. Newgrounds sets up a page dedicated to AYB. One mistake I can see - they say that Eskimo Bob is parodying the original flash - Eskimo Bob was released a few days earlier. March 8, 2001: From a reader: "In a limited run of 200 from Steve Jackson Games, the now famous line appears prominently in bold at the bottom of the instruction sheet of a new game called Frag." Jiminy Critic, a movie review site, reviews the Flash. Audiogalaxy runs a story on Japanese Pop called "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" AYB sighted on the official Tomb Raider Movie web site - click on the "Image of the Week" link. As a result of the Ethermoon forum posting on March 2, a fan creates this Java game - watch the intro. The first AYB in a game (besides Zero Wing, of course)? Possibly. March 9, 2001: AYB on TV again - Fox News runs a story. Online version here. Check out this screenshot from Acclaim Sports' All Star Baseball 2002 - Looks like it's a fake shot. We'll have to see when it's released... Doomworld has a new pic of the day - CATS as the Doom 2 end boss. March 10, 2001: ESPN.com mentions AYB in a humor story. Reports indicate that somebody is posting AYBABTU stickers in Toronto. March 11, 2001: On TV again - Fox 4 in Dallas, TX did a story. So did Fox in Chicago - and it was recorded! Check out the movie here (capture by Marcus) VH1 has decided to jump on the bandwagon - check the title. The Dutch National Radio played Invasion of the Gabber Robots on the program "Cyber Top 50." All Your Base are Belong to Scooby Doo on When I Grow Up. An interesting story goes up on Celebrity Goo Game. On the official Star Wars web page, hover your mouse over this image. March 12, 2001: AYB appears in this installment of nationally syndicated comic strip Fox Trot. - First AYB in a syndicated newspaper comic AYB also makes an appearance on Steve Wozniak's page. Also in this story on the Cheadle Labour Party's site. - First AYB in politics March 13, 2001: Invasion of the Gabber Robots begins being broadcast regularly on cable/satellite music service DMX MUSIC, on their Euro Hits channel. An AYB image goes up on the front of a popular Dragon Ball Z page. Memepool posted a link to amiallyourbaseornot.com. March 14, 2001: ABC's "World News Now" ran a story. A Vectrex version of the Zero Wing intro is made. It can be found here. March 15, 2001: An article appears in the LA Times. March 21, 2001: AYBABTU on the front page of the Onion. Archived here. I got this story from a TON of people, but the first was Gabe Jones. Thanks! April 11, 2001: AYBABTU appears on Microsoft's Office XP age. Do a rollover on the left column, or just click here to see the picture. The irony he

Reads a bit fannish
This article seems like something you'll find in a fansite rather than an encyclopeida. Don't you agree. GreaterWikiholic 03:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the whole Chronology section seems out of place in an encyclopaedia. At the least it needs a hefty chunk of citations, and I'd be tempted to take it out altogether. Orpheus 04:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * history of the phenomenon is quite well suited on the page about it. In fact, this information is necessary. The weasel words seem to have been removed, the tone is factual, and references exist (are either given inside article or at the end - from BBC report page, the homepage itself etc. So, there is not problem here. It seems rather that some people just have some personal feelings that motivate them to try to ruin this informative article. Remmbember
 * "Most of the threads lose interest and die off quickly as the trend is pronounced dead countless times." - that's the sort of thing that looks a lot like weasel words and WP:OR. I see one reference in the chronology, to Time Magazine. It just doesn't seem particularly encyclopaedic, but I'm open to counter arguments. Orpheus 05:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't had any counter arguments - I'm going to trim some of the uncited bits of chronology out in a few days if nobody objects.Orpheus 20:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * stop vandalizing this article! you remove relevant info which is referenced which is a classic deletion vandalism! Wederes
 * That's not really a reason to restore the information, per se. Orpheus 13:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Free translation
This section seems to be original research and should probably be cut. Bulbous 18:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, and would support its removal. Orpheus 20:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I too agree. But, do we have a source for the literal translation? Or is just originial research as well since it lacks any source or citations? Plus, the third translation is unnecesary since someone could easily interpret it him/herself without the need of a physical third translation. *kaburicho 15:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * how is translation of a short game intro original research? there are plenty of non native english speakers (me included) that write about things from their languages and cultures and explain them in english. that is not OR, but explanation of something in english language. the source can be in another language. that is not what OR stands for. explaining customs of another culture (japan in this case) in english encyclopedia/wikipedia does not constitute OR even if no english language source is given. it is merely presenting/explaining something in english. sources do not have to be in english, otherwise we would have a serious case of clutural/language racism that has no place in wikipedia!
 * The "Free Translation" is one single editor's opinion of how the original could be interpreted. It cannot be sourced, verified or corroborated in any way and is highly debateable. It is entirely OR and is subject to removal. The "Correct Literal Translation" could be sourced by using a published Japanese/English dictionary. Bulbous 18:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Mah, even then it would still imply a substantial degree of interpretation on the translator's part -- the syntax of Japanese and English grammar are different enough that judgment calls have to be made in order for it to make sense. Tsunomaru 04:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * How many translations do we need? They belong in Wikisource, not here. Orpheus 01:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Now there is no proper translation at all (not in WikiQuote either). Translating some text always involves some understanding of context, but that does not mean it is original research. I think it should return. --Edokter (Talk) 15:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it still exists in the page history - copy it and add it to WikiQuote (or WikiSource). Then put a link to that from this page so people can find it easily. Orpheus 00:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

SOCOM U.S. Navy SEALs Playstation 2 Video Game
I think a notable reference should be added, in the first installment of the SOCOM series by Zipper interactive, the narrarator will say "Target destroyed, SEALS Victorious! ... All your base are belong to us." When the SEAL team wins by demolishion on the swamp map "The Ruins".


 * It's notable if you can find a media reference that covers it. If you've got one, go ahead and add it. Orpheus 13:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Is that the correct name?
On Newgrounds, it is called 'All Your Base R Belong to us'. It might have been shortened to save space, I don't know.

24.17.233.201 04:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

xkcd
Is the reference in xkcd (http://xkcd.com/286/) significant enough to warrant entry? 79.65.205.93 23:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Notable references in popular culture section
This section has been identifed as Trivia and is in Violation of the WP:TRIV policy and should be intgrated into the main article. Much of that stuff as shown there can very easily be included in other sections if not thier own. See WP:HTRIVIA to help you guys out with this problem. Sawblade05 02:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. From WP:TRIV:


 * Not all lists are trivia sections


 * What makes a section "trivia", regardless of its name, is that it contains a disorganized and unselective list. A selectively-populated list with a narrow theme is not trivia, and can be the best way to present some information -- for example, a list of unobvious pop-culture references made by a television episode.


 * That used to be the case. Then the list was trimmed to specific instances, referenced in the mainstream media. That's selective and narrowly themed. Orpheus 02:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Since then, all your base are belong to Amit 14:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)!!