Talk:Allan Jones (businessman)

Press agentry?
This reeks of press agentry. Whatever you think of his particular form of perfectly-legal activity, the article is full of fluff about how he give money to high school wrestling and how he started his own industry trade group and other garbage; and a lot of it is either sourced to his own company's website, or to an adulatory interview he's done with a local radio station (not exactly a reliable source). -- Orange Mike |  Talk  13:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There are also numerous copyright issues, outdated info and misrepresentations of sources. I am trying to work my way through them. - Sitush (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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Notice
I added the tag for  because, while the user does not appear to have promoted anything about Jones, his username is that of Jones' company. 146.229.240.200 (talk) 08:09, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
The Wikipedia biography (BLP) of Allan Jones fails to meet Wikipedia’s guidelines for living, but relatively unknown people. We should exercise restraint, present from a neutral point-of-view, and include only material relevant to the person's notability.

Personal Life (edit)
INFORMATION TO BE REMOVED: Jones' first marriage was to Candace Robinson on November 25, 1972. The couple had a daughter, Courtney Elaine Jones, born in 1973. The marriage ended in 1975. On May 14, 1983, Jones married Paula "Janie" Pangle (born 1961) in Bradley County. They have three children: Abby (born 1984), Will (born 1988) and Bailey (born 1991).[39][5]

REPLACE WITH: Jones' first marriage was to Candace Robinson on November 25, 1972. Jones is currently married to Paula “Janie” Jones and has a total of four children.

EXPLANATION: Source 5: This source is no longer active and the link is a Wayback.org archive of the original source page. The source is also of questionable reliability and has been removed by the owner of the page. This raises questions to the accuracy and reliability of the information. This source is a no longer active web page, the author is unknown, and the information is published on an unknown genealogy webpage.

Source 39: This source is no longer active and the link takes you to the Wayback.org archive of the page. The source page does not contain an author. The accuracy of the information is unknown and not verifiable. At one time, the source was published by a sports website connected with the University of Tennessee.

SUMMARY: Jones is not a public figure and is relatively unknown outside his business. His family is not relevant to his notoriety as a businessman and restraint should be exercised in this case considering the sources are low-quality.
 * I made this edit to the article. The other edit is in discussion and the sources are in dispute, so I will leave that edit request to others. Go4thProsper (talk) 20:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I removed the sentence about his family as this is a WP:BLP and we should not have unsourced information in those articles. The information may be put back when a user finds a reliable source. Z1720 (talk) 22:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Check Into Cash [ edit ]
Jones' research revealed the market for small, short term, fee-based loans collateralized by the customer's signature, leading him to found Check Into Cash in 1993.[8]

NOTE – Source 8: This source is no longer active and the link takes you to the Wayback.org archive of the page.

INFORMATION TO BE REMOVED: The business model was made possible after Jones allegedly donated large amounts of money to multiple state legislators in order to convince them to change laws that previously prohibited charging of what some have characterized as exorbitant interest rates.[10]

EXPLANATION: This information is not presented with a neutral point of view and the information is opinion on not backed up in the sourced article. • “…Jones allegedly donated large amounts of money…” This is speculative and no facts in the source verify this claim, and this goes against BLS guidelines.. • There are no allegations the political donations, if any, were illegal. • There is no evidence or witness claims in the source that Jones’ campaign donations were the reason state legislators voted to change a law. At the time, 18 other States allowed payday loans. • Source 10 states, “Jones and his colleagues had already persuaded state legislators to pass a 1997 law permitting payday lending…” There is no evidence or individuals quoted in the sourced article to back up this claim.

INFORMATION TO BE REMOVED: In effect, Jones' critics charged that he bought the State legislation that allows him to do business.[4]

EXPLANATION: This information is not presented with a neutral point of view • Who are Jones' critics? The sourced article does not quote anyone critical of Jones. • When I asked the African-American woman in the SUV about her loan, she politely brushed me off: “I don’t want to talk about that. It’s personal.” • Jack Atkins, a pockmarked white man driving a minivan, told me he’d been a customer for about a month. “It’s been working out for me,” he said. • Susan Jolliff...she harbored no malice toward Check Into Cash’s employees. “As far as the people who work in there, they’re nice as can be,…” • Source 4 does not quote anyone claiming Jones “bought the State legislation”.

REPLACE WITH NEW:

Check Into Cash [ edit ]

Jones' research revealed the market for small, short term, fee-based loans collateralized by the customer's signature, leading him to found Check Into Cash in 1993.[8]

As of 2005 Check Into Cash was the second largest payday loan company in the US and was planning to expand on its existing 1,300 locations.[8]

VandyB94 (talk) 18:14, 3 October 2020 (UTC) — VandyB94 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * The Los Angeles Times, the source of reference 10, is a nationally-known newspaper and considered a reliable source. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Orangemike (talk) I agree Source 10 is a nationally known newspaper (that was not questioned); the BLP for Jones as currently written makes the allegation that Jones bought state legislators with campaign donations in order to convince them to pass a law. The Los Angeles Times source does not support the allegation Jones bought the state legislators. The words buy, bought, bribe do not appear in the cited source. This is not a neutral point of view, the current version of the Jones page makes an allegation not supported by the cited source. VandyB94 (talk) 20:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * After consulting the source from the Way Back Machine, I am concerned that it is not a reliable source. Although the article has an author, I looked for a masthead on the old site and only found a managing editor, who was the same person as the article's author. Therefore, I have removed the information and the source from the article. If someone knows more information about BusinessTN circa 2005, please post below and we can discuss adding this information back into the article. However, I find the proposed text to be promotional and thus I would not add it back into the article as-is.


 * I have reviewed the LA Times and Harper's Magazine sources. I changed the language a little bit and clarified that the LA Times and Harper's Magazine was linking the donations to the lobbying efforts to legalise his business practice. It is not required everything on Wikipedia is "neutral". Biographies are going to showcase the positive, negative, and neutral facts in a person's life. It is also not required that a controversial statement is supported by a direct quote in the source. Since both the LA Times and Harper's Magazine are reliable sources, we can use their prose to verify the information.


 * I am closing this request as "answered". Please post below if you have any additional comments or questions. Z1720 (talk) 22:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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