Talk:Allegations of mass graves in Mirusuvil

Neutrality discussion
from I dont know whether it is in your line of Wiki duty to do neutrality sanity check. I saw you get involved a while ago on a Sri Lanka relatedd bio article om Kumar Ponnambalam. I cretead a new one called Mirusuvil mass grave. I need someone to do a neutrality sanity check before I categorize it and link it to other articles. Any directions will be appreciatedRaveenS 13:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * If I was you, I'd merge it with Mirusivil Massacre. I'm not sure we need two articles for this. yandman  13:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * OK good idea but how about the quality of the merged article itself from a neutrality point of view ?RaveenS 14:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it looks reasonably neutral. yandman  14:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Article is diputed
three reasons
 * daily news article is a poem and certainly not about this incident.
 * second source ,The British Refugee Council,is established the Sri Lanka Project in December 1987, on the request of international NGOs. SriLanka has several hundreds NGO and Anyone can start and run an NGO here..So this source fails WP:RS.
 * Other disappearances section is written as a propaganda here..for further details please look at the chemmani article and its talk page.thanks--Iwazaki 02:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * found two more reasons

thanks--Iwazaki 02:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * tamil net is extremely pro LTTE and anything written there can be safely put in to the garbage bin
 * BBC link does not work

further; thanksIwazaki 02:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * how many bodies founded in the grave ??
 * how many of them were "proved" as the missing persons ?

The government prosecutor charged the arrested soldiers for illegally arresting and killing seven Tamil refugees who came to inspect their homes and then burying them at a mass grave at Mirusuvil. case closedRaveenS 20:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * So its just another allegation, isnt it ?? Raveen, could you please care to answer my questions above ?? None of it has been answered yet, and you just reverted the topic without even touching them!! I will happily revert it per my questions..if there is no mass grave, why on earth we need an article for this..Hey,also your link doesnt work.thanks.Iwazaki 11:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:VERIFY it says If an article topic has no reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it. The topic is either Allegation of Mirusuvil mass graves or Mirusuvil mass graves. Where is the citation for Allegation title. I have cited 3 WP:RS that directly talk about an established mass grave in Mirusuvil. It is only the court case is pending, who cares if some one is charged ot not. Did the government find the bodies in one mass grave? yes. Is it an allegation ? no. Are the soldiers convicted, no but does it make the mass grave disappear ? 64.201.162.1 13:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I will reiterate what I have said months before and its amazing that certain people are anable to fathom it..As long as The British Refugee Council stay as a source ,esp it is the which priparaly accusing the Army for killing civilians,as they saw it by their own eyes,of course living in thousands of miles awaya, THIS ARTCLE IS POV. Iwazaki  会話. 討論 12:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * ALSO(look it is even bolded) IF chemmani incident is named as Allegation something, this article should be the same..I've so far failed to see from your sources,other than the highly disputed The British Refugee Council(look its not even bolded) confirmimg that the army actually killed all those 8 people..Let SL judicial system to decide it, after it gives verdict we can proceed with the necessary changes.many thanks

P:S: I am extremely busy these days but I would be happy to answer u,if u bring any constructive and BRIEF arguments Iwazaki  会話. 討論 12:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Weasel title
This incident is primarily about a massacre; hence the so called allegation of mass grave title is a weasel word to make the article seem like something else. That it resulted in a mass grave of 8 people that the Sri Lankan military police found with the help of the survivor is also attested by Sri Lankan news papers, court proceedings and even the neutral HRW, British refugee council and other publications. Please look at Killing fields. It is similar in title a killing spree that results in a mass grave. Mirusuvil massacre is the correct title for this article. I will request an admin to enable me to change the re-direct because it was already established and was redirected to this by me previously. About British refugee council whether it is a RS source or not, I have requested a neutral admin to look over it. Thanks Taprobanus 16:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)