Talk:Allemansdrift

Requested move 7 January 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not moved  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  22:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Allemansdrift → Mbhongo – Out of all the pointless move requests, this is one of the most pointless. There is zero proof this place was ever called 'Allemansdrift'. The sources I have say this place was called Almansdrift B. I struggle to understand why a bold move was reversed to a name that it was never called. Name was changed in 2003 and official/academic sources use the new name. Was unable to find much written about it.

https://www.gov.za/sites/default/files/gcis_document/201409/24924a0.pdf

https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780191866326.001.0001/acref-9780191866326-e-10128 Desertambition (talk) 01:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose per ngrams and Google News, which shows one result for "Mbhongo", and six for "Allemansdrift", including four for "Allemansdrift B" specifically; the new name has not become predominant in common global usage as required by WP:MPN. No objection to moving this article to "Allemansdrift B", though I suspect "Allemansdrift" is the common name. Census suggests that the name refers to a broader area that consists of Allemansdrift A, Allemansdrift B, and Allemansdrift C and is referred to as Allemansdrift. BilledMammal (talk) 03:16, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * BilledMammal Did you mean to say Almansdrift B? Again, ngrams are weak evidence. Desertambition (talk) 05:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The claim that ngrams are weak evidence appears to be based on a misunderstanding. Ngrams currently show data up to 2019, so if a change of name took place in 2020 or later, Ngrams are very weak evidence in support of a name. But if the name was changed in 2003, it is highly significant that Ngrams do not show any results at all for Mbhongo, but show a usage of Allemansdrift from 1870 to 2016. -- Toddy1 (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)


 * No; the name used in reliable sources is "Allemansdrift"; I suspect the government source is incorrect, as this also matches the census data. BilledMammal (talk) 05:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, per WP:COMMONNAME. Google News searches show that Allemansdrift is the name used:
 * Allemansdrift 7 results
 * Mbhongo 0 relevant results, 1 irrelevant result (this was for 46 year old Josaya Tatolo Mbongo/Mbhongo, not the place)
 * I checked Google News, and Mbongo is a not-uncommon family name. It is not a name used for Allemansdrift. -- Toddy1 (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)