Talk:Allen Frances

Add this if article is expanded
Frances criticized the DSM-5 proposal for binge eating. It's in the PBS vid, but would be WP:undue right now. Tijfo098 (talk) 03:20, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

(note: i am a newbie -- so i do not know your style guide customs yet): consider adding in this article of Allen France talking to Wired.com reporter Gary Greenberg about the DSM-IV : http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/12/ff_dsmv/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theodorewesson (talk • contribs) 13:52, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think that a journalist's take on Allen France's view in a 2010 Wired article is best, plus it's out of date. As implemented in this article it is a "quote" by reporter Gary Greenberg, not by Frances. I substituted a recent article (December 2012) by Frances on his dsm5 views.  Star767 (talk) 16:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Dr. Frances, an aquaintance, found his Wikipdia page and felt it was too much in the range of "personal gloss." He asked me to try to make it more "a statement of issue." I'm a Wikipedia newbie, but more hacker than most of our aging psychiatrist set which is why he asked. The version at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:1boringoldman/sandbox is what I came up with - and he liked it. As a newbie, I know nothing of how to negotiate changing, merging, whatever with an existing page. My own credential is my blog http://1boringoldman.com and Allen's request.

I propose that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:1boringoldman/sandbox be merged with []. I am new to this and doing my best to follow wikietiquette... --1boringoldman (talk) 04:34, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Clean-Up
Eliminated redundancies --1boringoldman (talk) 15:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

POV - too much opinion on DSM
This is supposed to be a neutral and follow Biographies of living persons, not an opinion piece on DSM. Star767 16:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I tried to warn the editor who posted the original information about this. Now that I'm reviewing this article even further, I am seeing a lot of opinionated statements, and a lot of statements that belong in the article Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. I'm currently working right now to see what can be left in this article, and what might need to be merged into Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Steel1943  (talk) 16:34, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Worse case scenario, we might need to revert to the recent version by Refrigerator1 until a version can be written with less opinions and off-topic information. The information that was posted is good information, but the current version doesn't stand up to Wikipedia standards as it should. Steel1943  (talk) 16:40, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. Not only is it an opinion piece, but it contains so many MOS errors, e.g. calling people by honorifics like "Dr.", using links to marketing sites as reference sources in the article, incorrect headings and heading hierarchy etc. The way it is now it is Allen Francis' view of DSM's history and not his biography. It will take a big cleanup as is, and most of the info removed. Even the statements about the DSM need reference sources, because they don't seem correct. Statements like this are really questionable: "Despite its conservative intent and careful methodology, DSM-IV was not able to prevent diagnostic inflation." It seems like original research. It needs reliable third party sources, not just Allen's opinion. Star767 17:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and put the WikiProject back up there, but put both projects as unassessed; this is clearly a new article, and should be reassessed by someone who can assess subjects that are applicable to those projects. Steel1943  (talk) 14:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I wanted the Biographies of living persons link to show in the template so article editors would get the right idea. (They seem to be misled.) But hopefully they'll see this link.  Star767 15:35, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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WP:Preserve and WP:Recentism
NuclearWizard regarding this, keep WP:Preserve in mind. I'm also concerned about WP:Recentism regarding the new Controversy section that is primarily about Donald Trump. I'll query the WP:BLP noticeboard to have a look. No need to ping me if you reply since this page is on my watchlist. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pinging me. I added the section because I thought it would be a better placement than the lead, and I did not notice that it was in another section of the article's body. Later, when I double-checked to make sure that it wasn't already in the body and removed some uncited content, I mistakenly failed to realize that pre-existing content in the career subsection was moved into the controversy section. I am sorry for this confusion. Nuke (talk) 02:08, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Its a rather outrageous comment(s) made by the subject of the article that should remain. I would think that the subject may issue a recantation of it but if not that makes it even more incredible worthy of inclusion.--MONGO (talk) 02:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the length of the section given to this controversy seems excessive (is it really necessary for this article to contain a comparison of dictators' death counts?), but the controversy itself should be included. Robofish (talk) 14:30, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: This is the archived BLP discussion: Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive289. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:01, 15 October 2019 (UTC)