Talk:Allen Iverson/Archive 1

corn rows
shouldn't cornrows be talked about in this article, they are his trademark and he is the one credited with popularizing them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.219.205 (talk • contribs) 21:44, November 27, 2005
 * According 2 who did AI popularize braids(aka cornrows)? Or do u mean AI popularised them 4 males bc ladies have always braided their hair.208.58.196.156 08:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought that Latrell Sprewell was generally accepted as introducing cornrows into the NBA. That is to say, that people had worn them for a long time, even in the NBA, but he began a trend that caught on rather widespreadly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JesseRafe (talk • contribs) 11:17, December 21, 2005

academics in 'life'
What does that mean? received 1% per term? Is that some Virginia thing? If that makes sense to anyone could they 'translate' it into a more commonly understood expression? JesseRafe 16:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

someone is dewikifying the article!
Who is 12.189.48.130? My one-hour work at wikify-ing the article was reverted.. *sob!* It appears 12.189.48.130 is de-wikifying the whole article bit by bit! Aree 15:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for notifying - that was taken care of. --Kizor 08:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Is he really criticized for being a ball hog?
It says on here that he is a ball hog ("He is criticized as being a "ball hog"." under Trivia) but he averages 7+ assists per game, is that really ball hog worthy, considering how much skills he has while the rest of his team is almost completely obsolete?


 * I love Iverson's game and his teammates are so offensively inept, so had to dominate the ball. It's probably the best strategy. But I have to admit, so many critics think so, that this fact can't be ignored. He's now assisting more than ever though, and slowly shedding the label. Aree 08:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Earlier in his career, it wouldn't have necessarily been an unfair criticism. He still has that reputation today, which I think is unfair. A lot of people ignore the fact that Iverson is currently one of only two NBA players in the top ten in scoring and assists. Dwayne Wade is the other. J-Red 04:41, 4 March 2006 (UTC)Outtaherephils

Opinion?
It doesn't seem right that opinions of Allen Iverson's playing ability should be in here. It's almost purely POV and probably should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladanday (talk • contribs) 18:57, February 12, 2006

That opinion section sucks anyway. long arms????????? what??????? how about his quickness and toughness.

Sure, it sounds silly, but his arms are indeed longer than a normal persons arms (they go to his knees when he stands up straight), and his arms help him with steals and hard layups (And the occasional slam-dunk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.98.50 (talk) 06:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Fanboy-itis
This article needs POV cleanup. Sounds like a fanboy wrote it. --Bigplankton 20:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Partial
This article is way too buyest it needs to be fixed &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.82.25.161 (talk • contribs).

POV
I added the NPOV tag because this article needs some serious clean up. Discussing what Iverson is "good at" doing (laying the ball off the glass) has no place in an encyclopedia. Nor does the fact that NBA rule changes have "limited iversons effectiveness" have a place in this article (Just to name a few). --Scotsworth 23:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Player profile section
OK, I see that the article apparently has/ had POV issues. But still, I feel that my "player profile" section was overzealously scythed. The guy scores 30 PPG, and answering the question "how does he do it?" is a perfectly legit contribution to an article, if you can back it up. See the articles on Kevin Garnett, Steve Nash, Shaquille O'Neal, Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitzki, Ben Wallace or many others.

I wrote
 * Iverson is a terrific scorer who has averaged ~30 points per game since nearly a decade. Gifted with blazing quickness and uncanny handles, he possesses an incredible one-on-one game. His trademark crossover dribble is regarded as one of the most unstoppable moves in the game.


 * His lifetime PPG is 28.0. []. The great Michael Jordan just has 2.1 PPG more.
 * So, OK, how does he score the 28 PPG clip? If you honestly leave out the crossover dribble reference, leave out pick and roll with Stockton/ Malone, sky hook with Kareem or Dream Shake with Hakeem. It is his trademark move. That the CD requires blazing speed and uncanny handles, is self-evident.

He is also known for his ability to draw fouls, getting to the free-throw line almost at will. Critics point out that neither Iverson's lifetime shooting average (.421) or assist average (6.1) are remarkable, and accuse him of being a ball hog who plays rather for himself than for the team.
 * See AI's nba.com stat page: AI goes to the FT line 11x a game. Who else does this?
 * .421 FGM is unremarkable. 6.1 APG is unremarkable (John Stockton has double), and taking avg. 25 FGA per game is ball hog-style, especially for a PG.

''However, as of 2006, Iverson is regarded as the best point guard in the game, along with Steve Nash and is considered a sure fix for the Hall of Fame when he retires. Along with Kobe Bryant, he is also one of the two guards who can be considered "franchise players".''
 * AI regularly scores high on MVP votings and is regularly the highest-ranked PG with Nash... and if you score 32.7 PPG (as in this season), and your four other starters add together add up to just 50, you are your franchise.

I think I can back up anything I said, so I think my contribution is legit. Feel free to comment. Onomatopoeia 10:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I see your point(s), and when backed up with facts...it does belong in the article. This article just needs to be careful to not become a fanboy article. --Scotsworth 20:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The basic points being made are certainly valid for inclusion, but the specific language used could certainly still use some clean-up. Mwelch 21:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, I just took a stab at tightening up the language some. Feel free to revert me if you hate it. 8-) Mwelch 02:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Point guard vs. combo guard
To those that are currently involved in the on-going point guard/combo guard reversion war, please see WP:3RR. It's better to has this stuff out here on the discussion page than it is to just keep reverting each other.

As for my two cents on the issue itself: it's true that "combo guard" has become a fairly commonly used basketball term. But so is "utility player" in baseball. But depsite the fact that Alex Rodriguez can play either shortstop or third base, the fact that he currently spends the vast majority of his playing time at third makes it far more informative to refer to him as a third baseman in the opening introductory statement, then go on to refer to his utility ability and past time at shortstop in the body of the article.

I don't follow the Sixers closely, but last I knew, Iverson's role on the 76ers was clearly primarily as their point guard. So unless that's changed of late and he's now starting to spend about equal time at both 1 and 2, then the same principle should apply here. The opening statment should say his a point guard, then in the body of the article it should go on to note his ability to play the 2 also. (And add a link there to combo guard, if you like.) Mwelch 00:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible Trade to the Celtics?
I've heard and read about this. As a Celtics fan, I really couldn't be more mixed about something like this. Also, I really doubt it, but is there any truth to it? I can imagine so since the Cs traded pick 7 already. Yank sox  23:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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