Talk:Allen West (politician)/Archive 4

Notability and Why West would be in WP at all.
Lieut. Col. West's notability is based on the controversy caused by his torture of the Iraqi police officer that almost resulted in his court-martial.

His military career was ended by this incident, and he plea bargained down the charges from a court-martial to a lesser charge by accepting retirement and a fine. This is the basis for his notability and it must not be omitted from the overview of his career as it is the entire reason for his entry in the Wikipedia at all. Other than that, he was just a minor Congressman. Without his notability for this torture incident, no one would much care about whether he was elected or not. Indeed he would certainly not be hired by Fox news had he just retired without incident. Jjk (talk) 13:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you read WP:POLITICIAN, he passes easily. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:52, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm fine with him passing WP:POLITICIAN but the reason he is notable, far and away more so than being a congressman is his conviction and forced retirement for torture. ( In his defense, were I in his position I might have done the same thing.) Further he would not have been hired by Fox News without that event to build/promote his reputation. The fact that he is a really minor politician in no way overshadows his notoriety from being forced out of the military. In fact his career as a politician was made possible by that very notoriety. :-)  Jjk (talk) 14:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what we think is the biggest reason. If he passes the notability guideline (and you agree he does), then he gets included. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Um.. OK.... who said he shouldn't be included? Jjk (talk) 18:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Um, look at the title of the section you created. If you're not questioning his notability, then you worded that pretty poorly. How about if you simply state, in a nice clear manner, what your point is? Niteshift36 (talk) 19:09, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

"He is not considered a War Criminal."
This sentence caught my eye in the interrogation section. It's not explained why West is not considered a war criminal, so I'm curious according to what criteria/by whom he isn't considered a war criminal and why the odd capitalisation? Is there some sort of official definition? If so, it would be good if it was clarified somehow, eg "According to the Uniform Code of Military Justice [...]". kissekatt (talk) 21:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * He's not a war criminal because he was never charged with a war crime, let alone convicted of one. It simply shouldn't be there and has been removed. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:21, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

2012 Election
The opening paragraph says that a recount increased Murphy's lead and (so) the original total was certified. (Which does not make sense.)

Later we read that the recount *decreased* Murphy's lead but the recount was not completed within the allotted time so the original count was certified. (Which makes more sense.)

So...was the recount showing a greater or lesser lead when it was halted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1302:6073:D422:E6FE:B53:85B3 (talk) 00:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

The whole article
This whole article reads like a sanitized fluff piece...FYI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.78.183.102 (talk) 12:51, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Removal of the Army's Report on the Criminal Investigation of the Interrogation Incident
I originally inserted the reference to the report way back in September of 2010. I'm curious as to why the article's editors saw the need to remove it. It is, in my opinion, the urtext of nearly all that has been written of this incident, from 2004 onward. I noticed an objection by 64.85.214.232 in 2011 to the report being hosted on an ACLU server. Clearly, 64.85.214.232 based his or her judgement as to the quality, neutrality, and relevance of the report entirely on its URL. If he or she had bothered to click the link, he or she would have realized that the report was written by the Army, not the ACLU. Unfortunately, at the time I cited the report, I had difficulty finding a link to it anywhere else on the web. I highly doubt that the ACLU would have altered the report in any way.

Regardless of one's opinion of Allen West, an objective chronicle of West's life would necessarily include a comprehensive treatment of the interrogation incident. It was a defining episode of West's life. It represented not just the capstone to a long military career, but arguably the impetus for West's elevation to conservative hero and for his current role as politician and pundit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atlasfugged (talk • contribs) 08:55, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Article is inconsistent
The body of the article indicates West joined the Army in 1983, but in the Biography section under his headshot it says he was in the Army 1984-2004. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.152.154.177 (talk) 07:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

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Gold Wings
I see [West] wearing Navy/Marines, gold wings. I just want to know why? I was told, and informed, that is for Navy/Marines only. I note, [West is] Army only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:249:402:C930:C9B9:4729:16AA:AD7F (talk) 22:28, 31 July 2017 (UTC) '' ........ Question rewritten. (A look in the history will show the reason.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC) ''

Edit needed
I am LTC West's social media director. The website listed is incorrect. AllenWest.com and AllenBWest.com are both under a permanent "under construction" banner due to a public, documented, and verifiable fallout with previous team due to a number of unauthorized moves. I am just trying to correct the information and apologize if I didn't understand the protocol. I'm not trying to self-promote or become a wikipedia editor, I just want the correct info listed. The correct site is https://theoldschoolpatriot.com. Proof of my claim: MarieMedia (talk) 01:06, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I have removed the link to his (former?) website pending some resolution to this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:43, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, [User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem], however I would like to know how to have his official site listed, as other notable people do? His verified Facebook page, and verified Twitter pages list the site as https://theoldschoolpatriot.com. Again, not trying to self-promote, but trying to bring his profile in line with other notables who have their official websites listed. Thank you! MarieMedia (talk) 19:42, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit Needed
Per the thread above, LTC West has an official website. Above I provided one citation and that resulted in the old site being removed, and I do not see my amended note with the new site citation listed. It flashes on the screen in this televised interview with Mark Levin on Fox News. Can it please be added? Thank you! MarieMarieMedia (talk) 21:47, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Official Site
LTC West's official site is: https://theoldschoolpatriot.com MarieMedia (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Recommend changing "Iraq Interrogation Incident" to "Iraq Torture Incident"
Given that Lt. West beat Officer Hamoodi and subsequently conducted a mock execution, it seems safe to characterize his treatment of the prisoner as torture. Any objections? Tethros (talk) 23:01, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

New Book by Allen West to Add
LTC West released a new book, Hold Texas, Hold the Nation: Victory or Death, on October 16, 2018, as verified by his Amazon author page Allen West (Author) on Amazon MarieMedia (talk) 20:16, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Campaign Website
On August 15, 2019, Allen B. West announced a bid for Chair of the Republican Party of Texas. The campaign website is https://west4texas.com (source: and many other media sources quoted here: ) MarieMedia (talk) 01:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Political Positions?
As richly developed as this article is, how does it not yet have a "Political Positions" section, as most mature articles on politicians do? There seems to be hints of his positions already in other sections of the article as it stands, but these should be consolidated and expanded upon in a dedicated section. Tmusgrove (talk) 01:17, 5 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The subject has only actually held an elected office for 2 years out of his 13-year political career. Feel free to create such a section of you like, just not sure it will have much meat to it. Zaathras (talk) 15:54, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

West taking Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine
A random IP editor is insistent on downplaying ( and other reverts) the fact that Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine treatments for Covid are not prescribed medications. Zaathras (talk) 15:46, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, to say that Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are not prescribed medications is patently false as prescribed medications are given out at the discretion of the prescribing doctor. Secondly, I'm not "downplaying" anything, I'm merely stating that the phrase "neither of which are approved treatments for the disease" is irrelevant as that section of the article is being used to state that West had Covid-19, not whether or not his treatment is approved/who it is or isn't approved by. Ps Zaathras, your bias is showing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:C760:1C50:C953:8527:8317:3993 (talk) 21:40, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Every aspect of that comment is a demonstrable falsehood. Congrats. Zaathras (talk) 04:23, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Finally, all it needed was a proper source but somehow it took 4 people to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihj2021 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Note: I have made a request for temporary page protection, may consider a sock investigation. Hutch.20, 1 edit ever, to this article. Ihj2021, 2 edits. 2600:1700:C760:1C50:C953:8527:8317:3993, 8 of 9 to this article. Likely the same person, or off-site collaboration. Zaathras (talk) 14:31, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Suspected Vandalism
Please remove 'West was first married to Gayle Mosby. Later, ' from the "Personal Life" section, as no sources to cite exist.

The first line of Personal Life asserts that Allen West is either divorced or has two wives. Neither of these has any support online. If "Gayle Mosby" is a real person who was or is married to Allen West, a citation is needed. All other sources that I found about about "Gayle Mosby" and Allen West appear are circular; they use this Wikipedia article as their own source. "West was first married to Gayle Mosby" is potentially an untrue and libelous statement about a living person, so if it isn't cited quickly it should be removed as vandalism.49.228.244.73 (talk) 12:22, 9 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Unless said alleged 1st wife is a serial killer, no, it isn't libelous, it just may be potentially incorrect. Chill. Zaathras (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I don't know where serial killers enter the equation. If the article states something that is incorrect, then the intention or effect may determine whether or not it is libelous. Libel is any communication embodied in physical form that is injurious to a person's reputation, exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or injures a person in his/her business or profession. To falsely allege multiple marriages may be injurious to a political figure's business or profession. Moreover, if the statement is potentially incorrect, it should have a citation or be removed. It's reasonable to point this out; a locked article's editor would normally want to change or challenge identified vandalism, whether libelous or not. 49.228.244.73 (talk) 10:37, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)