Talk:Allen v. United States (1896)

What is the origin of the term "Allen charge"? --76.113.65.106 (talk) 03:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Obviously much more can be said about this subject. A couple of suggestions to expand: Ellsworth 14:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In US jurisdictions: Haven't some states banned the Allen charge, at least in criminal cases, as unduly coercive? I remember reading a 9th Circuit case which prohibited a second Allen charge to be given but that was 15-20 years ago.
 * In non-US jurisdictions: Where an unanimous verdict is required from lay juries, has the concept of the Allen charge been adopted? What variations of the charge are used? Etc.

It seems as though some of this article was lifted from AllenCharge.com without permission. 72.151.225.95 (talk) 18:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Only the select case law, not cited correctly, fix it! 76.109.163.218 (talk) 01:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Later case law
Federal appeals due to use of the Allen charge.

Not certain the list of states is correct.
The list of states that forbid Allen charges includes Pennsylvania, but this can't be correct. This morning, a judge in Pennsylvania issued an Allen charge in a high profile case (the Bill Cosby assault trial). Was the law or ruling overturned? TricksterWolf (talk) 16:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Criticism/reason for banning in some states
As appparently some states do not allow the use of the "Allen charge", it would be interessting to know what are the reasons for those decisions. I can see why some jurisdictions allow it: to reduce the number of hang juries. -- Kan0nenfutter (talk) 22:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)