Talk:Allura Red AC

Carcinogen
When someone finally provides the citations that this dye is not a carcinogen, he will also have to provide disagreeing scientists opinions that it IS a carcinogen, and once again, Wikipedia will serve its purpose of appeasing the stronger multinational of the jungle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.62.92 (talk) 10:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

References moved to External Links
Why were the references moved to "External Links"? Sleepy012001 19:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Info on red 40. http://www.red40.com/pages/chemistry.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.11.254 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 19 June 2007


 * Looking back through the history to November 2006, I didn't see any references being moved to the external links. Could you provide a link to the diff? Also, I've given this a header, hope you don't mind. -kotra 21:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that- I'm semi-new and thought that if I linked it at the bottom, it would be cited as a reference. I need to go look up how to do references, but feel free to take the links and cross check them and everything. --Sleepy012001 01:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

New UK government report shows link to hyperactivity in childern
Take a look at these two articles in the newspaper The Daily Telegraph. Would be nice to have them integrated in the article. MaxPont 21:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Though the second article doesn't mention Allura Red AC (E129) by name, it's pretty clear by the context of the first article that the six E- colors mentioned include E129. So I'll put those two articles in as references, along with a more recent article from the Guardian. Thanks for bringing this up! -kotra 21:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Alas, it's a really narrow study with inconsistent results. Need more science!  Anyone got newer?  This is five years old.  76.21.107.221 (talk) 00:24, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Banned in Germany?
Well, it's not. Those sweets in the picture were bought in Germany. --startaq 18:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, well it came from one of the sources which I'd accidentally placed in 'external links'... --Sleepy012001 02:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

New legaslation in Norway and Sweden
Two articles from Norwegian Food Safety Authority explain the Norwegian situation where Azo dyes were banned i 1978 and made legal in 2001. In this period azo dyes were only legally used in alcoholic beverages and some fish products. After 2001 is is now allowed for general use. Usage in sweets and ice-cream are now widespead. References: English article  archived at https://archive.is/20120804205754/http://www.mattilsynet.no/mat/mattrygghet/tilsetningsstoffer/norway_and_food_additives_34434

In Norwegian with more details

In Sweden the situation was similar. E122, E128, E129, E154, E155 og E180 was banned and restrictions was put on E102, E110, E123, E124 og E151. Seach for E129

All are now allowed in Norway and Sweden to be compliant with Council Directive 94/36/EC. -- Nisselua 07:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevant health information
I've removed the following, which don't seem to me to have any value or relevance, and are uncited anyway: In dogs and rats, Allura Red AC is found to be mainly excreted through the feces, with some of the compound coming through the urinary tract. It is believed that significant retention in the intestinal contents is due to adhesion of the compound to the intestinal wall. When applied to human skin, Allura Red AC has not been found to cause irritation or sensitization.

I've copied these here in case anyone thinks they're relevant or notable. -kotra (talk) 19:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Potential health benefits of Red 40
I feel this information is relevant and should be integrated into this article. However, I'm new to modifying wikipedia articles and feel this would best be left to those who are more experienced at doing so.

Food dyes may protect against cancer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.167.177 (talk) 06:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Humans and fish are different, so that study isn't conclusive for humans, just suggests the possibility. I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning at this point. If a large-scale human study is conducted with similar results, then certainly it should be included. Comments from other editors would be helpful, though. -kotra (talk) 00:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Health & Allergies
I was wondering if we could add a definative health risk for red #40 to the article. I have medical records (and have undergone tests) verifying that red #40 can trigger urticaria and shock (similar to a peanut or shellfish allergy). What do I need to show for this? In addition, I have no other allergies, and the dye does not have any effect on my behavior. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.98.68.18 (talk) 15:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, one person's medical records do not qualify as a reliable source by our standards. A study or article (preferably in a peer-reviewed medical journal) on the subject probably would, though. If you know of any such studies or articles or any other reliable sources (listed here), feel free to provide them. Thanks! -kotra (talk) 18:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I really wish they would do an intensive study on food dyes. I react horribly to red #40 in products as well (severe urticaria & swelling). I'll also be keeping a look out for more reliable sources. --Kakos (talk) 04:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You can get an allergic reaction to literally anything, though, and there are how many million people? I had Cholinergic urticaria from pressure contact - an allergy from a neurochemical produced by my own body - something no one should be allergic to.   So that someone can be allergic to some compound is not at all notable.  76.21.107.221 (talk) 00:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

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Red 40 "Lake"?
What is the difference between Red 40 and Red 40 Lake? There doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia article on Red 40 Lake, and the Red 40 article doesn't mention anything about Red 40 Lake. Are they the same thing, just different brand names? Or is there a difference? Either way, this is something that should be discussed in the article, considering that the words "Red 40 Lake" appear on the ingredients lists of many products. —BMRR (talk) 00:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This website implies that Red 40 Lake is the same as Red 40, just put into aluminum hydroxide. Seems reasonable, but I'd be hesitant to use red40.com as a source. Food coloring also talks about lakes, but not in much detail or specifically about Red 40 Lake. -kotra (talk) 00:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Euro-centric
This article seems to have a Euro-centric view of the dye. In Europe, there seems to be a general fear of azo dyes, despite the fact that Red #40 has fewer health risks than some non-azo dyes, including Red #3 (Erythrosine, a fluorone dye) and Green #3 (Fast Green FCF, a triarylmethane dye). There are obvious reasons why those two dyes are rarely used in the USA, and I think this article should be a little more NPOV by globalizing it. ANDROS1337  21:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Explain name(s)
The article needs to explain the name. Is it a proprietary name of some manufacturer? If not, what authority assigned it? What does "AC" stand for? 18.26.0.5 (talk) 21:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nearly three years and no takers? 121a0012 (talk) 16:50, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe AC is one of AC? Jidanni (talk) 08:17, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * (Nearly 11 years later, with no answer nor action taken) Maybe "AC" stands for "artificial color"? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 01:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Not banned in Belgium either
E129 is on the list of authorized food colorings as published on the website of Belgian Health Dept.

Link in french (cf. 2)

Not banned in Switzerland either
I don't know where the extensive list comes from, but it isn't banned in Switzerland either. On the official government page there is a link to a pdf called 'Liste der zugelassenen Zusatzstoffe' where it is mentioned as allowed. 145.118.239.247 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect/outdated information in Europe
I am struggling with updating the article on Hungarian Wikipedia and see that the English one also has quite some issues. The whole EU situation seems completely wrong or at least outdated... With the introduction of the new legislation on food additives (Regulation 1333/2008) I do not think it is possible for single member states to ban any additive, since these are authorized at an EU level directly via the Commission Regulation. Szaszicska (talk) 11:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

The compound is a derivative of WHICH dark red powder?
The compound is a derivative of naphthalene and a dark red powder. Any dark red powder? A certain dark red powder? Jidanni (talk) 08:11, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

p-Cresidine
"Red 40 contains p-Cresidine, which the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services says is “reasonably anticipated” to be a human carcinogen." Jidanni (talk) 08:25, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

What is this text?
From the article:
 * "In 2015, the EFSA found that the exposure estimates did not exceed the ADI of 7 mg/kg bw per day in any population.[8]"
 * What is "bw"?
 * "Allura Red AC was at one time banned in Denmark, Belgium, France, and Switzerland, and was also banned in Sweden until the country joined the European Union in 1994.[9][not in citation given]--> In Norway, it was banned between 1978 and 2001, a period in which azo dyes were only legally used in alcoholic beverages and some fish products."
 * Why is there an arrow ("-->") there?

Update: it was from this:
 * previous version:
 * Allura Red AC was at one time banned in Denmark, Belgium, France and Switzerland, and was also banned in Sweden until the country joined the European Union in 1994. The European Union approves Allura Red AC as a food colorant. In Norway, it was banned between 1978 and 2001, a period in which azo dyes were only legally used in alcoholic beverages and some fish products.
 * newer version:
 * Allura Red AC was at one time banned in Denmark, Belgium, France, and Switzerland, and was also banned in Sweden until the country joined the European Union in 1994. --> In Norway, it was banned between 1978 and 2001, a period in which azo dyes were only legally used in alcoholic beverages and some fish products.

I do not see what "bw" is at bw either. --NoToleranceForIntolerance (talk) 06:42, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

To add to article
Basic information to add to this article: what is it made from? How could someone have written this article in the first place and neglected to include that information, which anyone reading this article would expect to find here (especially if it purports to be properly encyclopedic)? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 01:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I guess idiots created this article, and they are deferring to brilliant industrious souls like you to stand back and correct their garbage.--Smokefoot (talk) 02:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

very cool article
thanks to all the contributors who made thihs. interesting read! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyattherb (talk • contribs) 13:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)