Talk:Almond milk/Archive 1

History channel
I saw a note in an episode of the History Channel show Modern Marvels that indicated that if you choose the wrong almonds (they said "bitter" almonds) when making almond milk you get cyanide - so be careful. --BigZaphod 02:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You can't buy bitter almonds in the U.S. without a doctor's perscription. They aren't commercially available, anyway.  In Europe, as I understand it, there are usually a few in any large amount of sweet almonds (most European sweet almond trees produce a few bitter almonds as well).  A few shouldn't hurt an adult, though - marzipan, macaroons, and ratafia are traditionally made with quite a few of them (though cooking does make them safer).  From what I've read, though, bitter almonds won't make proper almond milk, anyhow. -GSwift 21:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

History
Almond milk must be older than this, because it is mentioned in the Talmud (5th century). Basejumper 15:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC) actually our famous Javier Saldana discovered these rich delicios almond. Not only the Talmud, but it was codified in the Code of Jewish Law (16th century) -Yoreh Deah Laws of Meat and Milk as it pertains to Milk and Meat (which can not be mixed) and the confusion an unmarked jug of Almond Milk can cause. This is the source of discussion relating to (fake) kosher Bacon-Bits et al.

Taste
Can someone give some information about the taste? Im not familiar with almond milk- but almonds have a very strong flavour, so is this somehow removed? Otherwise, I'd imagine using it as a substitute in recipes would give them a very distinctive flavour?83.70.164.248 (talk) 12:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC) It's been described by everyone I know as "creamy." I drink it myself and have noticed that it has a slight creamy, almond-y taste to it, but no after taste like soy milk. It is definitely not bitter. When eaten on cereal or in recipes you cannot taste a difference unless you use the vanilla or chocolate flavors. The slight difference in taste can only be noticed if you consume it alone (like a beverage). Carsinmotion (talk) 00:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Almond milk is 'completely vegan'?
Whilst it is true that almond milk is suitable for vegans, as 'vegan' refers to an ideological position rather than merely meaning does not contain animal products, is the wording not inappropriate? Describing it as 'completely vegan' makes it sound as if almond milk is something exclusively for an alternative culture/lifestyle or is in itself 'ideological'. Would it not be far more suitable to say 'is suitable for vegetarians and vegans'?. --87.112.94.44 (talk) 05:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I've decided i'm going to change it to that effect now. --87.112.94.44 (talk) 05:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Nutrituional facts
I'm missing the nutritional facts, for example does Almond milk contain as much calcium as cow milk? How much fat and what kind of fat does it contain? --84.176.227.117 (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

"Almond Milk" in non-western cultures
In India "baadaam doodh" (literally "almond milk") is a sweet milk drink flavoured with almonds. I think something similar is also made in some areas of the Middle East. The reason I point it out is that the article makes it seem that almond milk is always dairy free, whereas actually some non western cultures would think of a cow milk based drink if you said almond milk to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.202.0.17 (talk) 13:55, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Quality
This article is written more like a magazine article containing factoids, rather than a Wikipedia article. For instance, should Wikipedia use phrases like "For the weight conscious"?

Also, this whole little snippet basically lacks one big 'ol citation;

"Almond milk is an excellent nutritional source for those on special dietary constraints. The casein in dairy milk may cause allergies. Regular, unsweetened almond milk can replace dairy milk in most recipes." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.24.31 (talk) 22:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I've reworded the entire paragraph, added a bit of info, and put it under a new "Health" section. JasonAdama (talk) 06:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed. This is a very poor article. Somebody should probably flag it for cleanup (I'm not sure how). Another example is this quote: "The UK Institute of Food Research found finely ground almonds contain potential prebiotic properties that could help boost digestive health by increasing the levels of certain beneficial bacteria in the stomach".[8] The actual reference is to a web page, not the study. The web page doesn't actually cite the specific study either, and the source's spelling error ("prebiotic") is retained. Somnlaut (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

The Health section still reads like a promotional pamphlet. 6/6/15


 * I went ahead and reworded the whole section to make it more encyclopedic, but I'm still dubious about the source of these facts. Also, there are some points which I could not figure out how to incorporate. Radioactivated (talk) 19:05, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Actual almond content?
It would also be nice to see a section on how many almonds are actually in commercially sold almond milk. There's been some recent controversy about the lack of disclosure here in California. Where the content is required to be disclosed in the UK, commercial almond milk contains only 2% almonds, with the rest being water, fillers, and thickeners. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:15, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I suggest/request a section on water use
It would be great if we had comparisons of the amount of water needed to grow almonds and then form a gallon almond milk, with a comparison to water use for a gallon of soy milk and a gallon of dairy milk.144.35.45.61 (talk) 17:41, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * There's an article about it here. Producing a gallons of dairy milk requires significantly more water, according to the articles cited there. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:55, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Carrageenan
I've removed the section called "carrageenan controversy" added by an anon in April and developed here. This has the flavour of OR to it: the sources were either old or seemed not to discuss almond milk and were saying there is no issue (based on the abstracts). We would need to show that there really is such a controversy, then provide reasonably recent MEDRS sources discussing its safety or otherwise. Also, after I saw this section, I checked the labels of two brands of almond milk and they didn't contain carrageenan, so we would need more specificity. Sarah (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

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Natalie's Peer Review
In the "History" section, there's a big block quote. We don't want that! I would definitely suggest rephrasing and writing this in your own words, then providing a citation to go with it. This is your Wikipedia article, not the author of this quote's!

Can you elaborate a bit more in the "Commerce" section about how almond milk became so popular? I would recommend talking a bit about the rise of the anti-dairy movement, veganism, etc. as food trends. I think that would provide some good context for what you're talking about here.

Can you provide any citations for the first part of the "Production" section? Maybe a recipe or a short article, perhaps?

In the "Sustainability" section, I would suggest adding more. We talked a lot about this subject in Food Issues, maybe revisit some of the readings we did there? You could talk about how almonds are taxing bees across the globe because of their popularity, or elaborate more on the drought in California. I think this is a really important section that needs to be emphasized!

Overall, I like what I see so far. The writing is mostly clear and coherent throughout, and most of the information is cited correctly. See above comments for where you can improve. Definitely do some digging for more research and flesh out the sections you've got going, knowledge is out there! — Preceding unsigned comment added by YesToYummy (talk • contribs) 15:14, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Taste issue
why do you wish to keep the "tastes like almond" claim there? It's heavily opinionated and a generalization. What it tastes like should stay out all together.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 23:35, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's such a revelation to exclude something that's been in the lede for a long time, and - in a way - your removing it is an opinion that it doesn't taste like almonds or is not "nut-like" in flavor. Not all Wikipedia users, however, would have access to products to taste it, so we're stating what seems "obvious" to many, and is claimed by many sources other than the Vogue source I added. --Zefr (talk) 00:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Please clarify.
It is unclear how the first sentence is related to the second: "...for false advertising on the product label about the small amount of almonds (only 2%) actually in the final product.     In October 2015, a judge denied the consumers' request for an injunction.[21]" Huh? So who won? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:8D3E:1E87:3773:7B7 (talk) 04:31, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Almond milk and bees
There is a negative effect of the almond industry and bees (both these links mention almond milk),. I suggest a new section to be added. I have seen several reliable sources that document this link. Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Because of the size of the almond-growing industry and acreage requiring pollination by bees, this issue might be better added to the pollination section of the Almond page. The source from The Cut seems non-neutral with a sensationalist title, so I wouldn't recommend that one. There are many US crops pollinated by bees, so focus just on almonds doesn't seem justified. --Zefr (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Spelling Almondmilk or Almond milk
Hey. I am just wondering about almond milk and spelling it without a space as an alternative spelling. I want to know if that is a place to spell it. Note: I saw this spelling. Bernspeed (talk) 11:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That impresses as an individual brand way of spelling on a product label. There's no WP:RS evidence or source that it is commonly used internationally; WP:UNDUE. --Zefr (talk) 16:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Article request
I request that the article "almond yogurt" be created. Compare the article soy yogurt.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 06:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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