Talk:Aloha shirt/Archive 1

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The Aloha shirt, often mistakenly called the Hawaiian shirt by non-natives, is a style of dress shirt originating in Hawai'i, a state of the United States.

I'd be willing to bet the use of the phrase "Hawaiian shirt" is quite deliberate.

What is it?
What is an Aloha shirt? Why is it different from a normal short-sleeved buttoned shirt? --Spikey 03:08, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not, for the most part. It's just a shirt that has a "tropical" design, whether plants, fruit, or whatever.  In one sense, it could be compared to the oversized, button-up "anime" shirts you may have seen, with anime/manga characters or a dragon motif on them. Crystalattice 18:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Missionary origin of shirts
I don't know why I didn't notice this earlier, but the section on missionaries was completely, absolutely, utterly wrong -- and unreferenced.

The missionaries did not impose dress codes. They "asked" their converts to dress decently by New England standards and as far as I know, that consisted of putting the women into Mother Hubbards (the term used at the time was holokū) and the men into whatever simulacra of shirts and pants they could muster. There were no laws forcing Hawaiians to wear Western clothing. Any such laws would have been impossible to enforce, because Western clothing required imported cloth, which was expensive. Hawaiians often wore ragged castoffs to church, prompting much amused comment from Western observers.

The shirts worn by Westerners during the 19th century were not cut like aloha shirts. They were always made of white linen or cotton. If Hawaiians wore castoff shirts, the shirts were of the prevailing Western pattern. If they sewed their own, the shirts were of the prevailing Western pattern ... which was ingenuously designed, with pleats, gathers, and gussets, to use every scrap of a rectangle of cloth. See the book Cut My Cote for details. They were not aloha shirts! Zora 22:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Facts and cited sources
Wikipedia (DE) has more about the Aloha shirt here. ThT 00:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Aloha
''Discussion moved to Talk:Aloha shirt after tagged with template:move. --ThT 00:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)''

Formality
The article makes several unsourced claims that these shirts are considered "formal" wear, and that actual formal clothing is almost a taboo. This really needs to be backed up or deleted. -Branddobbe 02:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * See references added. Maybe somebody can add pictures from a legislature session with    people wearing Aloha Shirts or something similiar. --ThT 23:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
''Discussion moved from Talk:Aloha shirt after tagged with move. --ThT 00:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)'' 
 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposed move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

no consensus to move. The article's subject is more specific than the generic target.--cjllw ʘ  TALK 13:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone call them this? I think the entire universe, except apparently Hawaii itself, calls them Hawaiian shirts. The article should be moved. -Branddobbe 00:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Aloha Shirt seems to be the original term (see: Aloha Shirt Creator Chun Dies at 91, 7.6.2000), therefore the redirection from Hawaiian shirt is IMHO correct. Also this GOOGLE result answers the question "Does anyone call them this?" sufficiently. --ThT 02:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Original" doesn't mean correct. Replacing Aloha with Hawaiian in the search you provided brings up close to three times the number of hits; it is clearly the most commonly used term, and, as such, should be the title of the article. See Naming conventions: "Generally, article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize", "use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things", etc. -Branddobbe 01:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Contra: The term Hawaiian Shirt is less specific than Aloha Shirt. For this reason the first sentence specifies: "The Aloha shirt, is a style of dress shirt originating in Hawaii." For example many shirts with unspecific flower patterns are sometimes called Hawaiian. This might be the explanation of the higher GOOGLE number of hits. There is a separated entry in the Merriam-Webster's Dictionary for Aloha Shirt as well. Following the conventions Be Precise (when necessary) the term Hawaiian Shirt is the more ambiguous one and therefore Aloha Shirt the better choice. --ThT 23:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose moving from "Aloha shirt" to anything else. Aloha shirt is the authentic name, like Kielbasa instead of Polish sausage, Emmental (cheese) instead of Swiss cheese, and Baguette instead of French bread.  That's what they call it in Hawaii, and it's the most authentic Hawaiian name.--Endroit 17:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

We think that the References are not within guidelines because one of them clearly links to a commercial site. Take a look at "Hawaiian Shirts - Aloha Shirts History". It links to hawaiian.com, can anyone tell me what hawaiian airlines has to do with Aloha shirts? Maybe reference something like History of Hawaiian Holoku attire by Linda Boynton Arthur, that would at least be more appropriate. Hawaiianshirts (talk) 20:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC) Remove the commercial link. Might have once been a valid link, if anyone wants to check the history. (Anon, 12/26/07) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.143.10 (talk) 20:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Question
Anyone know where you could get this exact shirt in the picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mp3 boy (talk • contribs) 00:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)