Talk:Alparslan Türkeş

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This article should not be in "wikiproject faschism", it should be in -if there exist- "wikiproject nationalism"... Because, all graywolves MUST PROMISE to defend the fronts AGAINST THE FASCHIST STRUGGLES before being a gray wolf. How can someone add an anti-fa to wiki faschist project?

Neutrality
This article lacks neutrality in almost everyway. And most of the information is inacccurate. There are too much baseless accusations (some of them are very insulting)about said person. Language is very disrespectful and offensive. Noone dead or alive deserves such treatment. Even articles about known terrorists like Abdullah Öcalan is much more respectful and neutral than this article.

Isatay 06:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree. In particular, the 'Legacy' section only talks of the post-death 'fraud charges'. I find it hard to believe that a man who represented the views of a portion of the population and still has a significant number of followers through his ideology only has this "legacy" that he left behind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.58.132.205 (talk) 22:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The Modern Cosmopolitan, Multi-Ethnic Turkish State
Öcalan is not a terrorist: he is someone who has fought for the democratic rights of his ethnic group: the Turkish state made a terrorist of him and other Kurds (and martyrs!) by denying them civil rights,freedom of expression and education in their own language. Your POV stems from what are clearly fairly extreme right-wing opinions, and you appear to be an apologist for the extreme fascist and racist views held by Türkeş, someone who was, in reality, on a par with the Serbian war-criminal, Vojislav Šešelj, currently awaiting trial in the Netherlands.

You ought to re-read the history of your country form 4000 BCE onwards: you will readily see that a host of different 'races'- Hattians, Hittites, Armenians, Greeks, North-west Caucasians, etc., have contributed to the present population of your country (in the devşirme of the the Ottoman period not a few from Balkan Christian countries also.) The actual proportion of Turkish Turks who settled in Turkey was relatively small. Many countries, at least in the West are very diverse and cosmopolitan in their 'ethnic' make-up. This illustrates why the racist tone of your comment is unbalanced and out of place in a modern context: you see everything in black and white, not at all in the many shades of grey.

Misguided views like yours have led to many outrages in Turkey. In the past few days we have witnessed the political assassination of the Turkish Armenian newspaper editor, Hrant Dink. Yet Turks wonder why EU member states are so very wary of admitting Turkey into the European Union. When Turkey can clearly demonstrate that all of its citizens are equal before the law, in what is in reality a multi-ethnic state, have genuine freedom of speech and enjoy full democratic and civic rights (which includes, incidentally, the right to criticize the actions of the present and past governments of Turkey, as well as individual public figures), we in Western Europe will welcome all Turks warmly as full members of our community of nations. 86.141.217.57 17:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:SOAPBOX, and see also Article 301, which you might be referring to. denizTC 10:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Your claim is absurd, you are telling nonsense. The Turks came to Anatolia in several waves, the immigration of Turks to Anatolia started in 1044 and continued till 1800. The first large wave started right after the battle of Manzikert were hundreds of thousands of Turks came. They came as tribes mostly from eastern Iran. Later many more waves of Turks followed after the Mongols invaded central-asia and Iran, millions of Turks that ran from the mongols settled in Anatolia, Iran and northern-Iraq. The founders of the Ottoman empire came with this wave. Orrin_73 18:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

basbug does not mean fuhrer! basbug is a proturkic word that means leader.


 * what do you think führer means? denizTC 10:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Führer comes from German word führen. The exact mean of führen is leading. And the translation of "führer" in to Turkish, is "önder". Also the word Başbuğ, used by Enver Paşa(he died before Hitler's reigm). Ruzgar 18:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Trivia Section
Trivia sections aren't proper encyclopedic content.

Also, a trivia section with a single piece of trivia, *related to a video game rather than the subject at hand*, is particularly non-encyclopedic.

It's gone. --24.5.70.65 00:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Facts
FYI, Özkırımlı, and Spyros  are listed as a Turk and a Greek, respectively. That reference and the one by Chaliand stated the same facts. Irregardless of ethnicity. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Neither are Peter Davies, Derek Lynch or Mehmet Özay. Yet those references were deleted with NO discussion. Typical disruptive editing. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Born Nicosia, Turkey (?)
Taken from the Wikipedia article on Nicosia: "The British Empire gained control over the island in 1878, with Nicosia serving as the capital of the new British possession." At the time of Turkes' birth Nicosia was a British colony, and now it's in Cyprus. Looking at other biographic articles it looks like the standard is to follow the city with the state in which the city existed at the time of birth, or to omit it entirely. I'll go ahead and revert it to Nicosia, Cyprus, but I'd like to hear your opinions on if it should actually be "Nicosia, British Empire" or just Nicosia. 194.154.149.197 (talk) 22:25, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Didn't the Brits call it the island Cyprus? --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:47, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

"I doubt if "Nicosia, British Empire" would be correct. Since the 1915 "annexation" was a wartime act, it would have been no more part of the British Empire than other occupied enemy territory such as the German colonies in Africa. Also, and for example, would someone born in Australia in the 19th century be referred to as having been born in "Sydney, British Empire"? I don't think so - it would be "Sydney, Australia". Meowy 22:17, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

foto, kayda değerlik?

 * kayda değerliği kuşkulu bir ismin, memleketin belirgin figürlerinden birinin biyografisindeki kutu resminin altında ne işi olduğunu söyleyebilir misiniz takabeg? hangi ünlünün biyografisinde böyle bir kutu resmi kullanılıyor? fotoğrafı ekleyenin bu konuda bir ayrıcalığı mı var? lütfen değişikliği geri almayın ve kayda değerlik konusunu bir daha gözden geçirin. değilse, herkesin ünlülerle çektirdiği fotoları buraya ekleyip altına da ismini yazmasının önüne nasıl geçileceğini düşünün. --Kibele (talk) 07:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The person on the left of Türkeş is Hasan Sami Bolak. It's true. Takabeg (talk) 11:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * it is true, but not notable. this is encyclopedia, no? not memory of the some people. --Kibele (talk) 11:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * About his notability you can discuss on Talk:Hasan Sami Bolak. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 11:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * maddeye kayda değerlik etiketi eklendi zaten, kalanı ile ilgilenmek gibi bir niyetim yok. ancak kişi burada kayda değer sayılsa bile, bu maddenin başındaki fotoda ismi geçmez. recep tayyip erdoğan maddesinin başına, ibrahim tatlıses'le ya da müzeyyen senar'la çekilmiş fotosunu koyup altına da ismini yazmıyoruz değil mi? --Kibele (talk) 12:26, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Birth Name
His name was Hüseyin Feyzullah. He changed his Arabic name (both given and family names) into Turkish later.--85.104.65.134 (talk) 13:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Ethnicity
I acknowledge that there are "hidden" Armenians currently in Turkey, for this reason I tried to find more sources that backup Fatma Müge Göçek's claim but I haven't found anything. We need more sources to verify this claim because right now this source does not seem credible on its own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.241.23 (talk) 23:17, 26 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "We need more sources to verify this claim because right now this source does not seem credible on its own."
 * That is your opinion. Göçek is a published academic of numerous books concerning the impact of processes such as development, nationalism, religious movements and collective violence on minorities. The source is published by Oxford University press and written by Göçek, who is an historian that is well qualified. I see nothing wrong with the source. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, Göçek is a respected academic (that is why I have not removed it). However, Dink's claim alone is not enough to disregard tones of sources that state that he was born in Cyprus. We need further evidence to backup his claim that a) he was an Armenian; and b) that he was born in Turkey. Can you provide this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.241.23 (talk) 00:35, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Which does not explain why you removed Göçek's name from the article. Next time, I will alert an Admin to your problems. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:44, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * It would be nice if you were a bit more pleasant rather than threatening me with Admins. Göçek does not claim anything, she merely writes Dink's claim during the "personal interview": "For instance, he stated that [Dink], ironically, the founder and leader of the National Action Party, Alparslan Turkes, was himself an Armenian..." So what you are doing is pretty misleading because she claims nothing. I do appreciate your quick replies but hope that if you do reply back (which I hope you do) you either are more pleasant and easier to talk with or that you just provide more sources to backup Dink's claim, as I originally asked for. Cheers.


 * Let's see, an IP that shows up and starts editing within the scope of Ottoman/Turkish/Armenian/Azerbaijan, brings no viable reason to doubt a source published by a university and written by a historian, uses no explanations in their edit summaries and edits with a clearly POV(self opinionated) slant. Something tells me you are not a "new user" and most likely are a blocked user that has edited in this area before. So as for my "pleasantness", I have seen this done before and the IP in question always ends up blocked. So continue your POV editing, I will enjoy watching you get blocked/banned. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:37, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * True, I've used Wikipedia in the past but I've never been blocked. It would be really nice if you take me seriously and have a civilized discussion. I haven't edited articles on Azerbaijan or Armenia, and even if I had it should not matter. Can you please stick to the subject? Perhaps we can compromise by writing "In a personal interview with Fatma Müge Göçek the journalist Hrant Dink claimed that Türkeş was of Armenian descent, an orphan originally from Sivas who was adopted by Muslims in Cyprus". 217.42.241.23 (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * If you do not wish to reach a compromise then we should take this to mediation. Just to be clear, I have no problem with the source being in the article. However, Göçek is not the one claiming that he is an Armenian; she is merely discussing her interview with Dink in a footnote. I have already asked you for further sources, which you seem to be avoiding. The least you can do is stick to the discuss, assume good faith, and compromise. 217.42.241.23 (talk) 16:49, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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