Talk:Alpha Kappa Alpha/2006-archive

Eleanor Roosevelt
Eleanor Roosevelt? Is that right? --BDD 21:55, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Seems that she was the first honoray member. But I couldn't confirm that Yvonne Burke had chaired the Democratic National Convention or whether she was the first female to do so. Any help? --SVTCobra 00:36, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow, such inaccuracy. Eleanor Roosevelt was in the sorority; however, Jane Addams was the first honorary member. Avid reader 23:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll give you Jane Addams as the first honorary member. But I still have a time accepting Eleanor Roosevelt as being a full member in the traditional sense.  I mean, she married at age 20. Did she even go to college?--SVTCobra 00:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Believe what you wish; however as a member of this sorority, I know what I know. You wrote that you "have a time accepting" that the former first lady was "a full member in the traditional sense." However, the first post simply asks "is that right," that she was a member. I am not sure what you mean by "full member," though. She was an honorary member, but that does not mean that she simply received a certificate and a handshake. She is a member. Whether she joined as an undergrad., grad., pledged, or joined under the new process, she is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha. Whether she went to college or not is another issue. But, since she is noted to be an honorary member, that indicates that she did not join as what you may mean by a "full member in the traditional sense." Also, just in case you come across this tidbit, you can verify the membership of the former U.S. V.P. who was an honorary member of a historically Black fraternity! -- Avid reader 18:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I meant to say "hard time accepting" not just "time accepting". But that is beside the point. I wasn't the one posing the original question. Also, it is all meaningless under the new format of the page.--SVTCobra 00:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton Citation
The Hillary Clinton Citation is outdated. Please update. Thank you. --Bearly541 03:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * see Citing sources, the topic What to do when a reference link "goes dead" Ccson 14:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Please revise program targets
Sounds like something copied from a website. Someone needs to re-edit this from third person instead of first person. ---Bearly541 02:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Shown below:

In order to meet the needs of our ever-growing community.

Also Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. strives to reach the Five National Targets as set forth by our Supreme Basileus, Dr. Norma S. White. Each of these targets are described in detail below:

Target 1: Education

Our goal is QUALITY EDUCATION for all. This target will focus on A.K.A., the acronym for "AKA KIDS ALERT." We feel that A.K.A. KIDS must enjoy and excel in learning. Parents of A.K.A. KIDS must be involved in the education of their children - A.K.A. KIDS must become responsible adults. IVY AKAdemy will continue to serve as the umbrella for all educational training and human resource development experiences provided by local chapters and will stress reading, writing, speaking, listening, mathematics, science and technology. PIMS - Partnership in Mathematics and Science will remain a viable segment of the program to be implemented at the chapter level. Summer Regional PIMS Camps will be encouraged.

Target 2: Health

Healthy bodies make healthy minds; therefore, we must encourage youth and adults to take good care of themselves, eat well, exercise and enjoy good physical and mental health. Parents must be inspired to help their children make healthy choices. This program target will focus on health issues that disproportionately affect minority populations, especially African Americans, as well as health issues specified in the President's Race Initiatives. The Alpha Kappa Alpha Health Net will be developed.

Target 3: The Black Family

The world we seek in the new millennium is one where a child's need for time with his or her parents is a top priority; where family's togetherness is prized; where family ties are reestablished; where parents consider the well-being of their children; and where homelessness does not exist. This program will focus on issues that divide the black family, at-risk youth, family values for middle and high school youth and AKA Coat Day for homeless families. "ON-TRACK" is the Signature Program for this administration.

Target 4: Economic Empowerment

We can only prosper if we are prepared for the work force, if we get the high paying jobs, and if we promote black businesses. It is important that the Black community gain empowerment. Ownership remains the key to wealth and power in America. We must arm African Americans with the information and encouragement they need to become successful entrepreneurs. This program will focus on financial planning and management, employment, entrepreneurship in the 21st Century and Black Dollar Days.

Target 5: The Arts

Alpha Kappa Alpha, throughout her rich heritage, has continually focused her attention on the arts. In many of our schools, the arts are no longer included in the curriculum. Alpha Kappa Alpha can fill this void, for we know that the arts can improve the quality of life for all mankind. The arts can be a meaningful vehicle for communication and education. Therefore, we must continue to heighten awareness of the arts, support arts education, promote potential artists, augment appreciation of the arts, and make the arts available to a larger public. This program will promote Chapter Summer Arts Programs and arts performances at conferences. It will also recognize African Americans in the arts.

There is a lot that could be done to expand this article..
http://aka1908.org/present/ StrangeApples 16:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Executive Directors
Please tell me why we need to place the sorority's executive directors on the page, when no other NPHC fratnernity/sorority has them listed? Website "copying" pages are not allowed. Bearly541 17:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

It's executive directors included, Carey B. Maddox-Preston 1948 - 1974,Anne Mitchem-Davis 1974 - 1980,Earnestine G. McNealey 1980 - 1985,Barbara A. McKinzie 1985 - 1987,Nan D. Johnson 1987 - 1988,Alison Harris Alexander 1989 - 1996,Emma Lilly Henderson 1997 - 1998,Carey B. Maddox-Preston 1998 - 1999,Betty N. James 1999 - Present.

A listing isn't a copy. Each organization is different and has a different history. As Iota Phi Theta doesn't have a hazing section and Alpha Phi Alpha does. What is wrong with having a listing of the executive directors? This information is verifiable and applicable to the organization. I'll place it back in and edit the look. 64.131.205.160 17:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

(UTC)
 * What does listing Executive Directors have to do with the organization? I can see if one of the directors were significant to the organization, like Patricia Roberts Harris.  You are simply copying and pasting, which is against Wikipedia policy. Bearly541 21:36, 30 September 2006

it actually isn't a copy.. the format is different.. it's a historical reference. StrangeApples 22:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it's a copy. You copied and pasted text. I know it and many others do too. Bearly541 23:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Bearly541 05:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I am going to delete this section because the President (also known as Basillieus) should remain first and foremost and has greater power than the Executive Directors...even though the current president of the sorority is a past executive director.

Information on other websites other than AKA
Ninjanubian/Mykungfu/IP addresses, quit deleting this information without discussing why on talk page. Bearly541 23:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

AKA honor students

 * The founders of Alpha Kappa Alpha were not all honor students. I have the history of the sorority, and it does not specifically state that all the students were honor students.  So, please quit adding nonsense without verification.  As for the Skip-Mason article, APhiA and Deltas list this person as an expert.  So, with your unwarranted edits, you should not delete this fact because it is against "your personal POV."  Bearly541 05:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * an edit was made to state that 7 student were honor students as referenced on the official sorority website http://aka1908.org/past  68.175.26.54 07:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all, all Howard University women DID NOT found Alpha Kappa Alpha. That's false information you are placing on the page which should be reverted on site. We know you NinjaNubian/KuntaKenta/or whoever you think you are today.  Second, quit taking out information without discussing it on the discussion page.  If you or your IPs do it again, you will be reported to AIV instantly.  Third, the sophomores of 1910 were honor students and did not take part of initiation ceremonies.  I have told you that time and time again.  Please get some sense, quit being so closed minded, and listen to what people are trying to tell you, unless you want to be banned for Wikipedia for good.  Right now, you are headed towards that direction...Bearly541 00:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

who is kuntakenta? that's a lil' racist don't you think? AKA has a different kind of history then lets say alpha phi alpha.. Have you ever heard of pretty girls wear 20 pearls? If so then you would know that it has to do with their incorporaters and those whom help make the sorority what it is today. You can correct things by looking at the national website http://aka1908.org/, but it is far more important then the paragraph you continuously place in about ethel and george lyle... quoted by skip mason!!! 64.131.205.160 01:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That's it, you are going to be reported, Ninja Nubian. Bearly541 02:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Skip Mason
I'm wondering what makes the contributions of Skip Mason any different from a personal website, opinion article or editorial..

Reading this, I wonder if it really is less objective and more subjective

"As a historian who recognizes that laying a foundation for any period of history, I find their omission inexcusable and without merit. Permit me to share some a few statements (and of course my personal commentary in between) from their books:  "

http://www.skipmason.com/hm/hm08.htm

on some of his website pages he states "DISCLAIMER: This page is not affiliated with the National Organization. I am not the Historian of the fraternity, just a brother who is and has always been thirsty for more knowledge on this organization. The information provided has been thoroughly researched and documented and is brought to you with all the fraternal love and spirit I possess. Sources are available upon request. " http://www.skipmason.com/about.htm

Self-published sources (online and paper) See also Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Using online and self-published sources Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, and then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-== Skip Mason == I'm wondering what makes the contributions of Skip Mason any different from a personal website, opinion article or editorial..

Reading this, I wonder if it really is less objective and more subjective

published books, personal websites, and blogs are largely not acceptable as sources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability

published books, personal websites, and blogs are largely not acceptable as sources

based from -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alpha_Phi_Alpha#Skip_Mason

64.131.205.160 01:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The material that User:64.131.205.160 (presumed to be User:Mykungfu) is removing is properly cited. If there is a question over the reliability of the source, that should be discussed here before it is removed. There is no justification for unilaterally removing properly cited material, and the deletions border on vandalism when two other editors have indicated that they feel the material is appropriate. | Mr. Darcy talk 05:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

there is actually a debate going on right now if you read above. Per Wiki policy, deletion and discussion is considered to be acceptable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BRD The BOLD, revert, discuss cycle is a method for reaching consensus on any wiki with revision control


 * First of all, that's a guideline, NOT a policy. There's an enormous difference. Second, in this specific instance, you deleted boldly, and you were reverted. The next step according to the guideline you keep citing is to discuss, but your next step has been to revert the reversion and THEN discuss. From WP:BRD:
 * 1. Boldly make the desired change to the page.
 * 2. Wait until someone reverts your change or makes another substantial edit. DO NOT Revert back!
 * So, if this is the guideline you wish to follow, how do you defend your actions when they clearly violate the directive to NOT revert back? | Mr. Darcy talk 16:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

looking at this, you were the one who was violating this MrDarcy 68.175.26.54 21:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Revert Wars
Can continue, all day, but talk sections can resolve things even quicker... 152.163.100.137 18:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * We can talk about it when you stop reverting. Your changes have not been accepted by any other editors on this page. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with this foolishness, but you won't get anywhere, and in the process you're causing trouble for other AOL users who want to participate on Wikipedia. Please stop. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You are reverting the page as well. You can agree to remove all sections that are being discussed. When the discussion is settled a reinsertion can take place. Agreed? 150.210.226.6 22:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Vandals do not dictate terms. When you stop deleting properly cited content from the article, we can talk, but until then, your removals will be reverted and you will be blocked. | Mr. Darcy talk 22:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * An attempt to compromise was being offered, not dictating terms. I guess in your myopic view of things you didn't realize it.  150.210.226.6 22:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * When you stop deleting properly cited content from the article, we can discuss a compromise. But the content must stay in the article until the discussion takes place. This is non-negotiable. Disputed content stays in until the discussion is completed. | Mr. Darcy talk 22:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well i guess we both agree on protection. i'm opting for full protection you aren't, i think problems will be solved quicke with full protection. 150.210.226.6


 * The problem will be solved when you stop insisting on removing properly cited content from the article. Until you stop this, we'll get nowhere. | Mr. Darcy talk 00:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

full protection has been achieved.. let the peace summits begin.. where would u like to start? 152.163.100.137 05:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Name lists?
I move that we eliminate the entire section of name lists - founders, sophomores, executive director - as excessive detail (see summary style). Thoughts? | Mr. Darcy talk 19:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Founders are very important to organizations. I think we should move executive director, but incorporated past presidents because presidents are above executive directors. Bearly541 05:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So we keep the first list of founders, eliminate the executive directors list - how about the list of, say, "sophomores" who were just invited to join but didn't play a role in the founding? If some of those names were wikilinked and worthy of their own articles, I wouldn't see an issue, but long lists of names of obscure people usually don't belong in Wikipedia articles. | Mr. Darcy talk 14:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The sophomores of 1910 are a part of the "Twenty Pearls" (founders) of the organization. http://www.aka1908.com/past/ AKA's website says that they are important in the foundation of the organization. Bearly541 03:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, let me play devil's advocate. The organization says they're important, but are they important in a Wikipedia sense? Would it be best to provide that link in an External Links section, but only to list a few of the names in the article? It just looks clumsy to me, and I think we should find a reasonable way to condense the section. | Mr. Darcy talk 03:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we should eliminate the Executive Directors and keep the founders. Although the Executive Directors are important for the organization, the Founders (20 pearls) are fundamental because they are the ones which founded the organization and were instrumental in setting up the rules.  I might do a short bio on the founders later when the article is unprotected.  Bearly541 00:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

AKA Pin
How about we put the AKA pin into the article? Please see here: http://www.aka-dbo.org/images/b_pin.jpg. Bearly541 01:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Copyrighted image. We'd need permission, or for someone to take a photo of a real pin and to upload that. | Mr. Darcy talk 01:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Already placed pin image (different) on page. Bearly541 02:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

MyKungfu
Has came back to edit the article page without warrant soon after protection was taken off. Where is the shield?  Bearly541 talk  07:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)