Talk:Alpha Phi Omega/2005

Tim Allen
An anonymous user keeps adding Tim Allen, Gamma Phi to Famous Brothers. This is listed on the Auburn website but nowhere else online. Gamma Phi is at Western Michigan University but the chapter appears to not have an active website. Perhaps national or regional could confirm this? Rmhermen 16:29, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

Tim Allen is not an APO honorary
I just checked with the Gamma Phi chapter president, and she reports that Tim Allen was a student at Western Michigan University, but never graduated. The university made him an honorary graduate, but the chapter never made him a chapter Brother. (I'm a past Region Director who has worked closely with the Gamma Phi chapter)

Contacts with BSA
I'm not sure what the person who edited the page saying that APO cut all format ties with BSA in 2001, but first of all, we did not have a convention in 2001, and secondly we still have a representative of the National Boy Scout on our National Executive Board.

Naraht 01:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Chapters in Chapter list.
Including only chapters with wiki type pages. Delta and Mu Alpha have pages in Wikipedia, Iota Phi has it's own local wikipedia type pages.

Naraht 02:06, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * In addition,Beta Rho is in Wikipedia and Theta Upsilon has its own local wikipedia type pages

Dr. Cash 03:49, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think we do need to draw some sort of a line here with listing of chapters. We don't need to list all chapter website, since we can link to the apo.org pages that already have that information. As far as linking to chapter wikipedia pages, that's ok, since there doesn't seem to be too many chapters with their own wikipedia pages,... although if this changes we may need to go to a separate wiki page with a listing of chapters. As far as linking to wiki-type pages, I would discourage that as it's really the same as linking to a chapter website, not something within the wikipedia system.

I noticed that there were in-article links to the chapter pages for Mu Alpha and Delta were pointing to pages that apparently no longer exist on Wikipedia (if they ever actually did). I went ahead and removed them. I've been poking around and can't figure out if, if the pages existed before, what happened to them. Bornyesterday 22:54, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

They did and were AfD'ed. :( Naraht 15:26, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Omega Category.
A couple of days ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Alpha_Phi_Omega_brothers was created by a person working on Ike Skelton. I have since gone in and added the category to the web pages for all of the famous active/advisor brothers.

1) I think I got it all OK, but it is my first try with categories.

2) Should the Honorary brothers be in the category as well?

3) Should Alpha Phi Omega brotherson wikipedia like myself (and most of those who would read this) be included in the category. I figure we can put a specific character (not sure what) as the first one after the pipe so that the brothers who are users get grouped together at the end.

Ideas?

(BTW, I don't know how to properly have the wikilink to the category contained in the talk text, if I simply put Category:Alpha_Phi_Omega in brackets, it puts it down at the bottom of the page. Naraht 02:20, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Good way to connect these people with Alpha Phi Omega. As far as #2 goes, Honorary brothers are probably ok to add to the list, they are technically "brothers", after all. Though if others that edit those other pages have problems with the category and delete it, I wouldn't fret it too much. As far #3 goes, no, regular brothers that simply have wikipedia accounts are non-notable. Until Randy becomes Historian Laureate of the United States and I get the Noble Prize in Chemistry, we don't get added to that page. ;-) User wiki pages are not really part of the actually "encyclopedia" part, and shouldn't ever be linked to actual wiki pages. They are primarly there for communications purposes among those that edit wiki pages. Dr. Cash 03:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * That matches with what I figured. Not sure when I'll get to the Honorary Brothers, it may be a few days. If someone wants to jump in on that, I'm fine. Is there a Historical Laureate of the USA? Naraht 11:31, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually, I don't know. I just made it up. It's called a, "joke." ;-) Dr. Cash 17:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah. I went to look at joke. Some small coorespondence between the two. :)

OK, finished with the honorary brothers. Chickened out and made them a category by themselves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Alpha_Phi_Omega_honorary_brothers. Opinions? Naraht 03:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, if there really was a 'Historian Laureate of the United States', I'd nominate you,... ;-) Dr. Cash 04:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedian brother category.
While it is inappropriate to include the Wikipedian brothers in the famous alumni category, categories made up of users sharing a characteristic is just fine. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedian_musicians as an example. How does Category:Wikipedian_Alpha_Phi_Omega_brothers sound?


 * I still remain opposed to this. While lists of famous alumni and people that have noted themselves in society are important and things that we would expect to find in an encyclopedia, lists of regular citizens, or wikipedians, are not-notable content for a true encyclopedia. While wikipedia has developed somewhat of an online culture with lots of users sharing thoughts, we need to maintain a clear divide between the encyclopedia parts of the website versus the discussion and community sections. Just because some users have put up a page of wikipedian musicians, doesn't mean it's right. Dr. Cash 15:00, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * This isn't a page that someone has put up, it just is individual wikipedia users putting Category:Wikipedian_musicians on their user page. I don't think there is any limit on what can be there. This would not show up *anywhere* on the encyclopedia part of the webpage. There is even information on specifically how to do this on the wikipedia page on categories. Naraht 19:41, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, like you said, if it is just something to put on personal pages and the discussion page, then that sounds like it might be nice to have there. But I still don't think it should be on the main APO article. Dr. Cash 04:47, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I think it *may* be appropriate to put as one of the first things seen on the *talk* page though.Naraht 17:33, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Done. Though for some reason, it doesn't want to put the link at the top of the page. Dr. Cash 20:34, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Chapter list
''The Alpha Phi Omega National webpage has lists of all Alpha Phi Omega chapters by State and by chapter name. Sgnificant chapters include Delta, Beta Rho, Iota Phi,Theta Upsilon and Mu Alpha.''


 * It appears that the individual chapter wiki pages have been removed from wikipedia, as the links are all red. I've moved the links to the chapter lists to external links and removed this section, as it's really not necessary. I don't think this article needs a long listing of individual chapter website links, especially considering that they're available elsewhere. Dr. Cash 02:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)