Talk:Alpharetta High School

Demographics
Following the link, I could not find the Demographics data. Additionally, it is dated 2010. I suggest removal. Escapevelocity (talk) 00:36, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Logo
What are the rules for adding a school logo/emblem. A Raiders logo on the front page would be nice. 24.98.240.237 (talk) 02:08, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

hangon tagging
This is not my article. I've added what I could from all of the other Wiki articles this has a redlink for. High Schools do not qualify for speedy. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I am declining the speedy deletion, however the nominator may feel free to send it to WP:AFD if they so wish. --Kralizec! (talk) 05:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Purpose?
This article seem to me like just one big promotion/brag page. It gives little information about the school other than various awards and honors it has achieved. Not very encyclopedic. May be prodded for deletion in the future if not corrected. Cheers, Mazeau (talk) 01:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Since when is talking about honors achieved "[n]ot very encyclopedic?" I think that winning Governor's Cup and High Q were significant events in Alpharetta's history. If you have suggestions about what to add to a school's page, please do so. 98.66.175.37 (talk) 01:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't see where this page looks all that much worse than the average high school page. I'm removing the cleanup tags. —C.Fred (talk) 13:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That said, I also just did a round of cleanup on the article. —C.Fred (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Debate team results
C.Fred... please keep clear of a page that does not relate to you and for which you have no knowledge. Awards and historical firsts for the school - whether important to many of simply a few - are not of your concern. All information is factual, cited and will continue to be included despite your numerous attempts to edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.72.29 (talk) 15:04, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with major events for the school being listed. I do have an issue with the number of individual awards, especially over the last 2–3 years, being added for the debate team. Wikipedia is neither a directory nor a records book for the school; there's no need to list every debate finish of third or better at a regional or national competition. It's also undue weight to the debate team. If anybody can provide a reason, grounded in Wikipedia policy, why they should go back in, I'll be glad to restore them. —C.Fred (talk) 19:25, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

C.Fred... Perhaps if you understood that ALL debate is essentially individual events. Debate teams consist of two people. Those two ARE the team. AHS has numerous two person teams. When one team wins, however, it is due to the collective efforts of all as the debate team as a whole provides the research (which is vital to policy debate - the amount of research done by each team during a single year is roughly equal to that one does for a doctoral thesis... and policy debaters repeat this every year) and other tactical advantages that the two person team in and of themselves would not be capable of providing. Aside from the two person team's ability to win or lose a round of a tournament, individuals are awarded at tournaments based on a point system for their communication skills. The Speaker Awards are highly coveted and difficult to achieve given the numbers of entrants in a typical national tournament. I only listed those who achieved the highest honor (First Speaker). The only exception was the Third Speaker in the Nation awarded to a student garnering this at THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. Third in the entire country is worthy of note and a high honor for the school. Lesser accomplishments are posted on the teams' website (www.RaiderDebate.com) but are not worthy of note for those interested in the debate program at AHS. The information i have posted, however, is relevant to outsiders interested in our program and should be left as-is. Each of the events represent an accomplishment of and for the school as debate is the embodiment of the quality of a school's academic programs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.72.29 (talk) 03:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * But this does not indicate notability of the individual results. It would be better though to just post that it's 3rd in the nation, instead of listing non-notable individual results.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Right. It would also help if it cited a reliable secondary source. If the national result is worth mentioning on Wikipedia, one would think it would have been worth mentioning in the AJC. —C.Fred (talk) 03:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow. An utterly stupid comment. The AJC? Seriously? While High School Sports may get ink in newspapers that are barely alive, high school academic achievements - not matter how noteworthy - do not garner such attention. That does not, however, minimize the accomplishment as it pertains to the school's debate program. One cannot separate the accomplishment from the individual who did it. It a student or student won national tournaments or ranked in the top3 in the national championships, the elimination of the names diminishes the achievement. Source IS cited. The team maintains a scoreboard that collects the information on the various tournaments. That site garners nearly 500,000 unique visitors a year and serves as a source for debate information in general and not just information about the school's team. There is plenty that is not worthy of acknowledging as it relates to individuals and/or the school program. However, permitting local academic accomplishments (nice but not noteworthy) while deleting academic accomplishments that elevates the school's national image (and it does as it pertains to colleges who have taken note of AHS's debate program ) makes no sense at all. If the school's long jumper ranked third in the nation, it would be noteworthy not only for the individual but for the school's image. And such an activity would warrant the individual being named as well. School's do not jump nor do they debate... individuals do and tradition is to acknowledge such activities. However, Additional cites can be given from additional tournament sites if that would get the sand out of your privates. And for the record, I am NOT an alumnus of the school nor am I affiliated with it. I do, however, track policy debate and know what is and is not relevant for public dissemination. I understand your concerns. However, I think you are taking self-appointed editing a bit too far here. the SCHOOL's image from the college recruiting standpoint (yes, policy debate is also a collegiate activity) has been significantly improved by the success or various individuals. While those individuals receive awards, the coaching staff and the numerous other teams share credit in what they do in preparation. When a two person team wins a tournament, everyone shares in the success. It IS noteworthy in the category it is listed. The events you chose NOT to remove are in all seriousness, less important to the school and its debate program than those you deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.72.29 (talk) 18:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * In regards to high school academic achievements - not matter how noteworthy - do not garner such attention: This took me two seconds to find on my local newspaper website, right there on the main page. The AJC has covered non-sports related school activities, more than you apparently think.  I have a newspaper clipping from the AJC about my high school's theatre department winning the One Act competition.  - SudoGhost&trade; 18:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Clearly you do not understand how people at a newspaper work in regards to such stories... especially those that you describe. They are not news. They require a parent or school official to ask the newspaper to run a story or they write a press release essentially writing the story for the paper. That is NOT news and gets covered as human interest. Such topics are never initiated by the paper. As one who has worked with the press, I can say first hand that you must work your butt off to get them to cover anything that isn't top tier and common knowledge events. And local driveway adverts masking as newspapers are not newspapers. Their focus is the selling. This is why these papers are not only free but thrown on your lawns without your asking. They often use the special status as the paper for legal notices by the city to stay in business and they often have only a couple of people who write (or rewrite) anything. So using a Gwinnett paper with a circulation smaller than the daily unique traffic of our website is a bit silly. I am happy for you theater department success, but the story sourced in the Gwinnett is less authoritative than many other sources. And IF the theater department were to post their activities on their website, I would have no problem accepting the information as true and correct unless proven otherwise. As schools do operate under codes of ethics and honor codes that the Gwinnett paper and other lawn trash do not, I will take a school's word on their activities as more true and authentic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.72.29 (talk) 15:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the Wikipedia guidelines on reliable sources say otherwise: primary sources, such as those published by the school itself, are not given the same standing that secondary sources are, and there is no special exemption for schools, churches, or any other primary source based on ethics or honour codes. —C.Fred (talk) 15:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You might want to read what I wrote again. The theatre story I mentioned was not printed in the Gwinnett Daily Post, but in the Atlanta-Journal Constitution. Odd how at first no newspaper, even those that are "barely alive" would ever cover such a thing, until you're shown otherwise, then you try to attack that source to show why such sources aren't to be trusted. I checked your school's website traffic, you might want to re-check your numbers. The traffic to your website is far less than 1% of the Gwinnett Daily Post's, and that's just the website traffic.  - SudoGhost&trade; 15:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * In other words, the results themselves are non-notable.Jasper Deng (talk) 19:48, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Your link was to the gwinnett site but my point is still valid. It isn't a newspaper. And in regards to the AJC, submitting a press release to a newspaper for filler in and of itself does not make it news, it makes it possibly human interest. And the point of sources is the verify the validity of the information not the importance of it. BTW... the only stats that matter are the Google Analytics we collect and, sorry, that isn't something you can track online nor is it for public consumption. Additionally, you might take note that the website is NOT affiliated with the school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.72.29 (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


 * So we've switched from claiming that the website backing up the debate results is school-related, and "schools do operate under codes of ethics and honor codes" as a claim of reliability, to "the website is NOT affiliated with the school"? You can't have it both ways. Unless a reliable source comes into play or there's some other reason, grounded in Wikipedia policy, that can be presented, the debate results do not belong in the article, and there's no cause for further discussion. —C.Fred (talk) 20:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

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