Talk:Alphonse Alley/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ealdgyth - Talk 15:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article shortly. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * General comments:
 * What makes http://rulers.org/indexa2.html a reliable source? It looks like a self-published site by one person (see http://rulers.org/index.html).
 * While rulers.org might not be the most reliable source, I am hesitant to remove it because it is the only source which mentions his death date. You'd think I would be able to find an obituary, but google news archive throws up nothing. Is there anything I'm skipping over? ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 23:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It fails WP:RS, quite honestly. How can we know this is the right death date? Ealdgyth - Talk 15:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ehh... Rulers.org has been accurate in every other death date for world leaders which I have checked with other sources. I don't think it's reliable according to the rules of Wikipedia however. Do you know of any obituaries that I can look up? There has to be one out there. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 00:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Suggest having a map to locate Benin/Dahomey in Africa as well as the Bassila locator map?
 * Done. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 02:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Did he ever marry? Children?
 * Not that I'm aware of. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 02:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Lead:
 * "After the coup in 1965, President Christophe Soglo promoted Alley Chief of Staff of the Army." - do we have articles on the 1965 coup? and the Dahomian army? If so, linky. If not, red-linky…
 * Linked. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 02:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Kouandété launched another coup against Soglo on December 17…" another coup? I guess I'm not clear on what was the first coup?
 * I don't see what is unclear here. The article mentioned the first coup, in 1965. Dahomey probably holds the world record for most coups in a single country. :) ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 02:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This is in the lead of the article, not the body. There is no other coup mentioned before this sentence, which is the first sentence of the second paragraph of the lead. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "After the coup in 1965, President Christophe Soglo promoted Alley Chief of Staff of the Army." ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 00:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Military background:
 * Linky for Widji ethnic group?
 * Done. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 02:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Military background:
 * I'm unclear what is meant by "Alley was taken out in late 1953…" do you mean withdrawn? If so, by whom?
 * Clarify. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 03:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Linky Saint Maxient Officer School?
 * Done. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 04:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "… where he was given a paratrooper insignia." kinda implies that he didn't earn the insignia, was this the case? If so, needs to make it clear why this is so, if not, needs rewording to remove the implication.
 * Reworded. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 04:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Academic Samued Decalo described Alley…" do you mean "historian" or "scholar"? Academic is a rather archaic word to use here.
 * Historian. Clarified. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 04:05, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Later life:
 * Who said "ignoble and barbarous imperialist armed aggression of Sunday, January 16, 1977"? needs inline attribution.
 * A government report. Clarified. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 04:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What's our status on this? Anything needing clarification? Ealdgyth - Talk 17:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been two weeks, and looks like everything is either addressed or waiting for agreement on both sides. We near a finish here? Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 05:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm still poking around trying to find a replacement for the rulers.org. Any luck Eddy? Ealdgyth - Talk 14:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really. I could try lending the Historical dictionary of Benin and hoping he's in there, but that would probably take a couple of weeks. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 19:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's comment the info out and leave it unknown and keep poking. Broad coverage is the GA standard, not comprehensive, and if we have no reliable source for the death date, better to leave it out pending finding a reliable source. THat's all that's standing in the way here. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a reliable source, so it really needs to go. RS is pretty much a hard and fast rule here for GA standard. Any progress? Ealdgyth - Talk 14:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What's our status on this? Anything needing clarification? Ealdgyth - Talk 17:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been two weeks, and looks like everything is either addressed or waiting for agreement on both sides. We near a finish here? Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 05:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm still poking around trying to find a replacement for the rulers.org. Any luck Eddy? Ealdgyth - Talk 14:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really. I could try lending the Historical dictionary of Benin and hoping he's in there, but that would probably take a couple of weeks. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 19:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's comment the info out and leave it unknown and keep poking. Broad coverage is the GA standard, not comprehensive, and if we have no reliable source for the death date, better to leave it out pending finding a reliable source. THat's all that's standing in the way here. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a reliable source, so it really needs to go. RS is pretty much a hard and fast rule here for GA standard. Any progress? Ealdgyth - Talk 14:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Passing now. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)