Talk:Alpura (company)

List of products
I don't want to edit war, and I don't really give two squirts if this article stays or goes, but the long list of products is completely unnecessary and should be removed. Tan     39  18:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Feedback for Laura and team
Hi all! Firstly, I think this is a good choice of subject. There are some things to be careful about when writing about a company: I will be watching this article, so I'll let you get started and post back if I see anything else I want to comment on. Feel free to ask any questions you may have, and have fun! sonia ♫ 18:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes it is hard to find good sources that are not linked to the company. This may mean you have to pay attention to your writing so that it is not promotional for the company.
 * From a quick search, the company does look important enough to have an article. It is important that you show why it is important: For example, this page tells me that it is the second largest cooperative of milk producers in Mexico. This is important and should be added.

Additional feedback
I agree with Sonia, that why the company is important should be expanded upon. I added a small segment about Alpura's recent work in the fresh dairy market. Unless things are radically different in Mexico City than they are here in Oaxaca, something should be said about how milk has been traditionally sold in Mexico as a boxed, unrefrigerated product. Most people reading this article will be from the US, Canada and United Kingdom, and in these countries milk is almost exclusively sold as a fresh, refrigerated product.

From a quick google search, there seems to be ample information available on the history of Alpura in WP:RS spanish-language articles. The history of the company should be expanded to help establish why Alpura is important.

Let me know if you all have any questions. I will watch this page. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! &lrm; 19:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

thanks :D
Thanks for the comment and the advice also by helping us in our partial project. Just right now we are working on the Out line and will soon begin to develop the first draft.MarioAlvarez05 (talk) 22:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, i am not subscriped in any program of mentors, but i would like you to be my tutor and help me. For our final projct we have to choose a topic and writte an article in Wikipedia. We were thinking about a comany in Mexico city, what do you thik?? tkanksMontseSalin (talk) 22:24, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, a company is a good topic. Does you group have to start a article, or are you going to work on improving a existing article? If I understand this correctly this is going to be a group project. Do the other people in your group have Wikipedia accounts? Best, -- Alpha Quadrant  talk    23:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)MontseSalin (talk) 23:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes other people are in my group working and they have wikipedia accounts but we can workthe topic through my account.We choose the topic of the company alpura in mexico which it is a company who produces milk, yogurt and it is a branch that most of all the mexicans consum.MontseSalin (talk) 13:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, then I assume that you will be working on a existing article. The article is at Alpura (company), however it is rated stub class on Wikipedia's quality scale, so there is plenty of room for improving the article. Also, I need to tell you it is against the rules for people to share accounts, see WP:NOSHARE. If any of your classmates need help creating accounts I can assist them. Thank you, -- Alpha Quadrant   talk    15:31, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi thank you very much for your help, yes the article in wikipdia is very poor so we can improve it. Also we are not charing accounts each of the members of the team have already an account. Our teach ask ous if our mentors csn give us some typs about our tipic or any suggestions. Can you please write every message related to the final project in the alputa talk page. Because the teacher wants to see activity with our mentors in the alpura page.MontseSalin (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

values section
I popped in and made some changes to the Values section. When you repeat the citation of a source, you use something like instead of repeating the long form. It is also problematic to use the company's own website, as it is not considered a reliable source. Please stick to sources written by others about the company.Thelmadatter (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I looked at it again this morning and it looks like all of your information is coming from the company's website. This is a major problem.Thelmadatter (talk) 12:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. A quick search of google.com shows que hay articulos en los periodicos sobre de Alpura. References used here on wikipedia should mostly come from periodicos and independent websites not affiliated with Alpura or Alpura.com. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! &lrm; 01:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, there should be internal links to other articles. I put the appropriate tags at the top of the article, which students can click on for more information. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! &lrm; 17:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments
The mission, vision and values can be from the company's page? That information should came from there, shouldn't it? We'll check the rest information. ALauBeltran (talk) 23:08, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's perfectly fine for the mission etc to be sourced to the company's website. However, I think that these can all go in one section, toward the top of the article, and that each of the values definitely does not need its own subheading. sonia ♫  23:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Sonia thanks for your comments. We've already made some chances to that section.MarioAlvarez05 (talk) 22:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

HI
hi how are you??? my team and i already wrote a first draft on he article of the alpura comany, i was hopping you could check it, and giv me some corrections. Could you please write me in the discussion page od the alpura article. thanksMontseSalin (talk) 00:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)MontseSalin (talk) 00:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok there are a few issues I noticed that need to be addressed

I hope these comments help. -- Alpha Quadrant   talk    01:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) The article needs to to written in a neutral point of view. Right now it sounds promotional. You can read NPOV for information on how to keep your article in a neutral tone.
 * 2) The article needs reliable sources to verify added information. Company websites are first party sources and often only give positive information. IRS can help you identify reliable sources.

Thank you
Thanks for all your comments, we'll correct all the mistakes and try to improve our Wikipedia writing :)ALauBeltran (talk) 01:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you need any help I am often helping on the live Wikipedia IRC channel #wikipedia-en-help . You would have to check with your teacher first, but here's the link http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wikipedia-en-help -- Alpha Quadrant   talk    02:02, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Products section
The products section should probably be simplified. Instead of listing every flavor of every product they offer, it should be rewritten to state what their major products are. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! &lrm; 05:28, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * While I'm here, the "health and nutrition" section sounds like an advertisement, was it directly copied from somewhere? Also, there is no need to bold figures, only the subject of the article. sonia ♫  05:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Chavos, there are still areas that sound like an advertisement. You should check to make sure it isn't copied directly from the website, as this will be a copyright violation. Also, there are some spelling mistakes that should be fixed. Saludos -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! &lrm; 02:31, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Nick! we are correcting errors and fixing the promotion problem, it has been a little hard to expand this article but I think we're making good progress. thanks for checking our article. Greetings :D--MarioAlvarez05 (talk) 22:39, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

too many sections, too promotional
You need to go over this article again carefully. There are too many sections and far too much of tone of this is not objective and sounds like a commercial. Do not try to convince anyone that the company is great. Just give the information.Thelmadatter (talk) 14:19, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ok Thelmadatter working on that ;D--MarioAlvarez05 (talk) 22:37, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for all your comments. We are working on the corrections :) ALauBeltran (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Ultra pasteurized 2000 milk
In the History section there is a parenthetical explanation of the ultra pasteurized 2000 milk. The words are: "(chemically storage from temperature)". I think the process that you ought to be referring to is Ultra-high-temperature processing which results in food products with several months of shelf life without refrigeration. The words "(chemically storage from temperature)" lead me to wonder if Alpura actually adds a chemical such as sodium hypochlorite to its product to preserve it. I would make the change myself to ( ultra-high-temperature processing ) but I am not certain of the facts and can provide no reference. --Fartherred (talk) 19:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Packaging description needs clarification
Concerning the Tetra top package there is a sentence: "It can be printed on all packaging." Is this intended to mean that the packaging can be printed with the product label before the product is packaged, or should it mean that printing can be done on the entire package surface? What is this article trying to state? --Fartherred (talk) 21:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)