Talk:Altaf Hussain (Pakistani politician)/Archive 1

Clean up
This article doesn't meet the Wikipedia standards of neutrality. It should be cleaned up thoroughly or deleted all together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misterincubus (talk • contribs) 19:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

this article provides no real details of Mr Hussain's life including his initial entry into politics, his self imposed exile and numerous controversies that have surrounded him including the multitude of cases against him and the MQM that have been dropped in the name of "building bridges" between parties. (And yes i know that the other Pakistani leaders are accused/ guilty of a number of crimes) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.118.132 (talk) 00:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

NPOV
Hey guys. Its ok to not like MQM, most Punjabi people do not like the organization and many throughout Pakistan have questioned some of their decisions..however this article should have nothing buy FACTS, Altaf Hussein being loud and obnoxious is obviously not neutral. Also, MQM has never been called a terrorist organization by the United States. MQM has a HQ in Chicago and branches in Washington DC and NY and are very active in the US. Their official website for the US operations is mqmusa.com. So please let's keep POV and ridiculous statements out of this article. Fkh82 00:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

check out http://www.mqm.com and http://www.mqmusa.com

Parts of the article were deleted for NPOV violation. Even if what was said is true it wasn't phrased in an acceptable manner. Please see the section on NPOV and use neutral language when reporting events. Thanks!! SahirShah 11:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

There is far too much pro or anti Altaf statements without any references. An encyclopedia is meant to be about facts not hearsay or opinion.Shehzadashiq 13:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

MQM is a terrorist outfit that is financially supported, in part, by India to foment trouble from time to time. The British government is harbouring a terrorist and Britain should be ashamed of itself. But then again, its no surprise: remember what the British did in South Africa, Ireland, etc. The sooner these terrorists and Indian-culture zombies are kicked out of Pakistan, the better. They've turned Karachi into a mafia town, these dirty animals!

Karachi does not Belong to Muhajirs
Guys it is sad to say that we have second and third generations of Pakistanis who are born in Pakistan and are still refered as Muhajirs because of some politicians who are misguiding Pakistani people.Those who are born in Pakistan are born Pakistanis not Muhajirs and this is the fact to remember. We are the sons of the soil and we care less about Altaf Hussain and his politics. We are born Pakistanis then Punjabis, Sindis, Baloch and Pashtuns and these are the only provinces in Pakistan. There is no Muhjiristaan and there never will be. Karachi is located in Sindh and therefore people of Karachi are Sindhi people not Muhajirs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadkidwai (talk • contribs) 19:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC) hey dumbfuck, karachiites are hell not sindhi, they're muhajir mostly although calling themselves pakistanis but the smarter third generation muhajirs also call themselves karachiites and are starting to h8 pakistan, many originally sindhis and pathans and (atleast the smart ones)punjabis also hav fit their later generations in karachiite culture, we are karachi, 4get origin we are one, we are not pakistani 66% loaded ( █████___) &#124;10 mins remaining to your death&#124; (talk) 19:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Muhajir is recognized as an official ethnicity by the Government of Pakistan, many other countries, and various international organizations such as the United Nations. The term Muhajir means refugee and while I understand your concern about those people being born on Pakistani soil, you cannot ignore the fact that since the inception of Pakistan people of different ethnicities have touted their backgrounds. Being born in the province of Sindh does not make someone Sindhi by culture. Sindh has a very long history as well as its own language that the Urdu-speaking population of Pakistan(Muhajir) do not share. There is absolutely nothing wrong with identifying yourself as Muhajir even if you were born in Pakistan because today it is a term that refers to the collective decendents of Indian immigrants. People from Punjab can be proud of their Punjabi ethnicity, people from Balochistan can be proud of their Balochi ethnicity, people from Sindh that are ethnically Sindhi, can be proud of their ethnicity, and the Urdu-speaking community of Pakistan can certainly be proud of their ethnicity. As long as we always put Pakistan first, there is nothing wrong with these identifications. The problems arise when we use these labels to incite hatred or violence. But to not accept this legitimate ethnicity in Pakistan would be unfair and unconstitutional. Mk30662n (talk) 05:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I Don't Agree
If you guys say that if the ppl of Karachi live in Sind so why don't they call their selves a Sindhi. So I am here to ask you one question that,

If ppl of Karachi are Sindhi then why government issue them a seperate Domicile for Karachi? Why government issue them a Sind Domicile?

And one more thing that kia Altaaf Bhai ne Domicile alag kerwaya hai Karachi ka?

pehle zara in sawalon k jawab dedo phir agey koi baat kerna

You all are Panjabies and you all only love Panjab you don't care about Pakistan you all think that Pakistan is only yours and your father's property that why Nawaz Sharif (who is so called Shareef) said that "WE WANT ONLY PANJABI PRIME MINISTER"

If you Panjabies think that every national of Pakistan is Pakistani and He/She has the right to be its Prime Minister then why your so called Leader gave that statement?

You all are Liers, Killers and Bullies

pehle jao apne gareban may jhanko phir koi baat kerna

Jaag Panjabi Jaag ka nara marney wale baat kerte hein Pakistan say mohabbat ki huh........ -

If the people of Karachi are Sindhis, not Muhajirs then why There is Quota System imposed on the people of Karachi which states that there are two Ethnic Communities living in Sindh, i.e. Sindhi and Muhajirs?

Why there is Ethnic division at all levels against the people of Karachi and Hyderabad?

If we should call ourselves "Sindhi" not "Muhajirs" just because we took birth in the Province of Sindh then all the Punjabis, Pakhtoon, Balochis, Kashmiris and Gilgit-Biltistanis should also call themselves "Sindhis" who took birth in Sindh!!! But they still call themselves what they are!!! So ask them first to leave their past and call themselves "Sindhi"!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by S k nawaz (talk • contribs) 21:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Answer
Thats not a fault of Punjab Government my brother only sindh Government can solve it you are an emotional person and you are misguided just dont care about what Punjabi politicians say they dont say HADITHS so just dont fall in it I have semi-protected this page, as WP:COPYVIO content was being pasted onto the page from here, despite discussions with the contributor. --Oscarthecat 10:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC) TO all My Pakistani Brothers:- you can not judge all nation just by a leaders statement every body knoes that leaders and politicians dont care about any thing they just care about their own benefits and everybody has a right to do what ever he wants to you dont have to care about what other politicians say they are all bastards and dont care about one unit and our nation.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.154.78.240 (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Copyright violations
I have removed much of the content because it was copied from. Please see WP:COPYVIO if wishing to re-add content. --Jon186 22:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Poor English and unverified claims.
The person who has written this article doesn't know proper English. Even though most Pakistanis are aware of Altaf Hussain's criminal activities, this article makes it seem like he hasn't done anything, because the writer doesn't cite his sources. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.133.73.171 (talk) 18:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Bullshit, it seems the above propaganda is being spread out of Racism and Hatred, as all the World knows how PMLN and PPP Governments had engineered fake cases on all MQM leadership including the Leader of MQM Altaf Hussain! —Preceding unsigned comment added by S k nawaz (talk • contribs) 21:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Life of Altaf Hussain
This article does not discuss the life and background of Altaf Hussain at all. Where was he from, where was he educated etc. Readers may also be interested to know his family background as well. It needs to be completed in this respect.--83.156.247.203 17:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I have added basic biography. Can somebody else add the background details.Shehzadashiq 13:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Recently added some info (with references) regarding Altaf Hussain's life, his family history, etc. If I find more I'll continue adding.Mk30662n (talk) 05:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Imran Khan Dispute
I have tried to cover the Imran Khan/MQM dispute in a neutral manner, as far as I possibly can. Hopefully this won't be deleted by anyone who either likes/dislikes either :) Shehzadashiq 13:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Imran Khan is a patriotic Pakistani because he is Pashtun Pakistani and he feels that Pakistan is targeted by MQM people like Altaf Hussain who claims to act like god to the Muhajirs in Pakistan. Imran Khan is also afraid that such kind of ethnicity issue could lead to the revival of Mukhti Bahini organization in Pakistan. I think the word Urdu speaking in Pakistan represents Indian sympathizers in Pakistan and unfortunately are seen as the traitors of Pakistan. Imran Khan lashing out against Altaf Hussain is the main reason because Imran thinks that Altaf Hussain and his open words against the creation of Pakistan will fuel ethnic issue in Pakistan. I am also Urdu speaking Pakistani but I have decided that I would rather use my maiden name instead because I feel that my family name represents the Traitor name in Pakistan and I would like to be represented as Pashtun Pakistani instead of Urdu speaking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadkidwai (talk • contribs) 22:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC) --

This is a Shame to the creator of above comment that he had forgiven his Identity, though I don't believe such coward person would be a Muhajir! Though we are proud to be Muhajir and Urdu Speaking as Urdu is the National Language of Pakistan and have a history of almost 1000 years, but the creator of the above comment has blatantly abusing our National Language!

Imran Khan (Zani) is a Corrupt and Filthy Guy, sentenced by a U.S. Court for Adultery and denying the Father ship of Tyrian (Daughter of Sita White and Imran Khan)! As per Islamic Laws Imran Khan is not only guilty of "Big Sin" but also he can not hold/participate for any Public Services Seat!

MQM's leader Altaf Hussain's statements are always piece of intellect, which poor minded people don't understand and term him traitor. Infact Altaf Hussain is the most patriot Pakistani! —Preceding unsigned comment added by S k nawaz (talk • contribs) 21:17, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Karachi Riots
I was unfortunately forced to remove content from here because there was very little fact and too much unverifiable content. If such content is to be posted add some references please.Shehzadashiq 14:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

British Muslim
In response to Misheus's question "is muslim and has british citizenship- why is he not a british muslim?' Even though he does have British citizenship he never calls himself British and is only here out of convenience to avoid criminal trials being brought against him in Pakistan. He has not stopped being involved in Pakistani politics and even though his British citizenship is a shield he has never contributed anything to British society :)
 * That does not really matter. He is British and he is Muslim.  The issue of contributing to British society has nothing to do with it.  Or should I start going over all British categorizations and removing those I don't think contributed anything? Misheu 22:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Here is a suggestion, maybe don't edit the article :) The guy calls himself a Muhajir but if it makes you happy make him a British Muslim, along with the other people you like categorising.Shehzadashiq 10:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * very good suggestion! why didn't i think of that before.. it's the best way to encourage active participation in wikipedia.  I was told this past week that i should categorize people as "british" only if they have british citizenship or have been living in the UK for a long time.  So how about you delete the part about him having british citizenship and living in London? Misheu 19:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Categorisation is fine. Go with it but bear in mind Altaf still thinks he is a Muhajir amd you don't want to make him angry :P

I'll keep that in mind. How do you call somebody who runs a Pakistani political party from London, has british citizenship and says he's never going back to Pakistan? Misheu 10:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying but it's not me who refuses to accept him as British. Altaf himself categorises himself thus. Why else do you think there is such a fuss over the whole affair? Shehzadashiq 11:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that it's not simple, but besides how the person defines himself, there's importance to how others define him. Not to go too much into philosophy but the British defined him as British by giving him a passport.  He defined himself as British by asking for citizenship, accepting it upon himself, and by living in that country.  Misheu 14:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

A person should be called what he wants to be called as, everything else is name calling. This is no place for name calling on an encyclopedia. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 20:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Article Structure
Apart from Controversies and counter accusations this article has little information about the subject, his motivations, political career. I know the guy is Partisan but myabe the facts could speak for themselves.Shehzadashiq 08:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

There was no article structure. I have brought structure to the article and can fill a lot of data if you and Muamshai stop your vandalism. I have researched MQM for 14 years, I am working on a documentary related to MQM, and I know what I am talking about M12390 23:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Living with MQM one day teaches you more than you could research in 14 years. People love Hindians for a reason. They are such lovely bunch of people. Just occasionaly they burn down churches and rape nuns. Which I think most christians and westerners don't mind at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.211.239 (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Consistent Vandalism and Page Hogging By Shehzadashiq and Muashai
Please read biographies of living persons notificattion above.

This page should neither be run be MQM-lovers nor MQM-haters. As I suggested earlier, let's agree on bringing neutrality to the page. I think that is fair. M12390 21:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice work, only, which field do you get your grass from? 14 years? Altaf Hussain loves your unbiased family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.211.239 (talk) 22:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Page's Structure
Based on my agreement with Shahzadashiq, and hopfully with Muamshai, here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muttahida_Qaumi_Movement, I suggest that the structure of this page should be modified to reflect something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_mandela

All the information stays, but the structure is changed and the information is shuffled among the agreed-upon sections. M12390 04:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Folks: I am adding a "Controversies" sections at the bottom so that people may introduced well researched controversies around Altaf Hussain. M12390 21:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

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Stop using this article as propoganda and antagonism tool
This is a website of 'Encyclopedia', a website of credible referenced materials. So DO NOT IMPOSE YOUR BIASED IDEAS HERE, it won't be appreciated here at all!--Plutonics (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC) I love fresh air and so does Altaf Hussain. We are pals.

Wikipedia Manual of Style
Edits to Wikipedia articles must follow the Manual of Style. Thank you. Ground Zero | t 14:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you and Plutonics. Najafhaider (talk) 22:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Biography
A biog was pasted in from an MQM site. I have chopped it down completely to avoid POV and COPYVIO. Can I again remind editors to follow Wikipedia rules when editing this page?

Would this election poster be usable as an illustration? I am not sure about copyright issues. http://www.flickr.com/photos/yasirmemon/2130882484/ Fences and windows (talk) 14:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Here are some sources for this page and the MQM. Please use only reliable sources when editing this page. Fences and windows (talk) 15:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.pakistantimes.net/2008/09/08/newswire4.htm
 * http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22616854-25837,00.html
 * http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/imran-khan-to-take-pakistani-political-rival-to-court-in-uk-451352.html
 * http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/may/20/pakistan.jasonburke
 * http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\10\23\story_23-10-2007_pg7_16
 * http://www.dawn.com/2008/12/06/rss.htm
 * http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/485221/power-broking-in-park-lane.thtml
 * http://www.pakistantimes.net/2008/05/11/top1.htm
 * http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=2008\10\13\story_13-10-2008_pg12_5
 * http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=37720
 * http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=104713
 * http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24490311-25837,00.html
 * http://www.dawn.com/2007/05/29/nat4.htm
 * http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/nov/18inter.htm
 * http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/nov/22inter1.htm
 * http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/1397398/Port-city-of-14m-harbours-vipers-nest-of-terrorism.html
 * http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/pIe/ie/daily/19981008/28150414.html

Sources and NPOV
I added sourced information, and it was removed. I've reverted back to the sourced state. Hussain's biog needs to be presented neutrally, and to be referenced using reliable sources. Presenting neutrally doesn't mean blandly, but it does mean presenting information by giving due weight to different points of view, including praise and criticism. Fences &amp;  Windows  18:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Reason for revert
This revert by User:Makeemlighter and this edit by User:Fences and Windows did not accommodate for this removal of sourced material by User:Pk7311. I have changed the wording a little to present it neutrally. I've also changed the reference to the second sentence in intro section to accommodate for the reference of third sentence as well. However, i understand that my recent edits may be objected for NPOV but i've tried my best to get the praises side of personality. The sources mentioned by User Fences and Windows will surely be helpful. I will accommodate them in coming edits.Hamza [ talk ] 08:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good to see these edits, thanks. Fences  &amp;  Windows  18:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Altaf Hussain supports Ahmedis why?
Altaf Hussain many times and now categorically supported the Ahmedis who deny the finality of Prophethoond of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). Is Altaf Hussain gone mad because no true Muslim says like that i.e supporting Ahmedis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.71.128 (talk) 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please only post here to discuss the article; we are not interested in speculations about people or in religious debates. Fences  &amp;  Windows  03:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

ALTAF HUSSAIN talk about humanity please don't twist the phrase. Allah saye to serve Humanity is the Best worship,so Altaf Hussain says about people of pakisatn whether they belong to any cast or religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonia jhonsan (talk • contribs) 12:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Some hatemongers are abusing Altaf Hussain, which, I think, is against the policies of WP, kindly undo the abusive words! —Preceding unsigned comment added by S k nawaz (talk • contribs) 21:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

POV all the way
I was hoping to know more about Altaf Hussain, like I would expect an encyclopaedia to tell me. All I find is propoganda. I did not find one sentence about his family. Who were his parents, his wife, his children. What was his education. His timelines e.g. his time in Chicago, the transition from Mohajir politics to Muttahida. Lots of accusation without references, and lots of boasting without reference. The pro propoganda understandably comes from MQM itself, but the anti seems to come from racists and some coming from religeous bigots, although I expected it to come from credible political parties like PPP and PML-N, or at least Jamat-e-Islami?

Please, can MQM officials put some facts about his life? Can some PPP or PML official put some political critique on him. Can Jamat Islami reply to typical MQM accusation against it?

This article sucks. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

ABOUT ALTAF HUSSAIN
The general concept of politics in our society is very disturbing. We think our politicians belong to a world of sin and crime but could you imagine a country or nation running without politics? Even our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) is labeled a renowned politician. Then why we are so reluctant? We became doctors, engineers and lawyers for the sake of establishment of our country so why not politicians? Some time before a person was born in a poor locality of Karachi. As with every other child he was a keen desirer of his career. He worked hard to bring a shape to his desire. After many struggles and after completing his B.S.C he was able to get admission in Karachi University (Pharmacy). Soon he became appalled by the absurd political situation at the University; there were a number of political parties working for their people, but no one was representing Muhajirs. Muhajirs who had sacrificed their lives, left their homeland, their property for the sake of Pakistan, were now left alone and their rights were not protected. From his belief a person living in Karachi or any other city must get all resources that are the rights of every citizen. Muhajir’s were always discriminated on their on their socio economic issues their rights were not protected by the government. They were living the life of third degree citizens in their own country. He was especially conscious about the Muhajir’s, especially since he also faced lots of injustice by the University officials.

After such disappointing behavior by the University officials he started working for the cause of the poor and middle class students of University. He also made the nation realize that the government is not the property of landlords and that it could also be ruled by well-educated and intelligent middle class individuals from the nation.

On 11th, June 1978 he provided the university students a way to fight injustice and established “ALL PAKISTAN MUHAJIR STUDENTS ORGANIZATION”, this man is our great leader “ALTAF HUSSAIN”. APMSO got a great fame, after its establishment a bulk of students started supporting it. APMSO won 900 votes from all over the university in the general elections 1980. After a long struggle APMSO became very successful by protecting the rights of Muhajirs but there were lots of areas left where injustice was still on its peak some of these were rural areas of Balochistan, Punjab, N.W.F.P, Sindh and Kashmir. These areas hold the actual population of Pakistan and are the actual resource production units. People in these areas are not considered humans but are treated as animals. To provide a better environment of studies to those peoples A.P.M.S.O proudly converted into the “All Pakistan Muttahidda Students Organization” on 11’ June 2006. APMSO’, sole aim is to provide justice, and for this cause it has also established international communities which are spread all over the world. APMSO, a student’s organization which is now providing its efforts and resources since 1978 now also has the credit of being the most popular student’s organization since then. APMSO is not a cave where a student becomes an inhuman politician but it is an environment where a public minded child learns how to make its personality worth-while and kind to the upcoming nation. Many leaders have arisen from the platform provided by Altaf Hussain bhai and now are working for the nation with great respect and dedication.

By 1984 APMSO’s message has spreaded along each nook and corner of province of Sindh. Several hundred units have been formed and hence a formation of its public wing was been demanded by general Muhajir population. Due to this need Mr. Altaf Hussain formed “Muhajir Quami Movement” (MQM) on March 18, 1984 which was later transformed into "Muttahida Qaumi Movement" (MQM) on July 26,1997. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonia jhonsan (talk • contribs) 12:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

This is awful awful writing, someone please scrap it and start again conforming to Wiki's rules... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.97.183 (talk) 16:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Its WIKIPEIDA not a political blog
Please everyone when writing something about political stuff, plz remain neutral..Dont mention Punjabi, sindhi, etc