Talk:Alternative R&B

Does not deserve a wiki page.
PBR&B is a derogatory term that refers to the listeners of certain acts rather than the music itself. It's certainly not a genre that any sort of encyclopedia should be using to describe anything.


 * That's debatable. Before I started adding to this article, I felt similarly and was inclined to just help make it respectable, but after Googling for coverage/articles, it seems to have enough significant coverage to warrant an article (WP:SIGCOV). Dan56 (talk) 02:30, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

it's a stupid name — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.244.182 (talk) 19:09, 2 April 2013 (UTC) I agree, it is a dumb racialized term not used by the musicians or the media.

I have to agree - not only does this term seem intended as some form of insult, I also never heard it used before stumbling on this page - so it seems to be derogatory as well as ignorant. There probably is place for an article about the emerging stylistic movement in R&B personified in acts like Weeknd, Drake and Ocean - but this article and term seem inadequate, as well as over-broad (how does the ever upbeat Monáe fit in the same basket as Weeknd and Ocean). Given that Wikipedia relies on external sources (as opposed to original research), it may be prudent to wait for better critical and academic writing on the genre before starting work on such an article. 99.230.243.1 (talk) 22:50, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

PBR&B to Alternative R&B
The term Alternative R&B is most common than PBR&B, I'm asking if we could discuss a possible change, thank you GlitterDream (talk) 04:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * WP:COMMONNAME and WP:SET would be good points of reference for proving which is most common if this is a request for a page move. Dan56 (talk) 04:30, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * While PBR&B is attested more in blogs and magazines (basically the documents that matter to a Wiki page about a feature of popular culture), most non-journalists either call it "alternative R&B" or put it in other extant genres. PBR&B is also a non-neutral term as it pretentiously assumes that it's R&B that rich, mostly white 20-somethings from Williamsburg are down with. That's like some blogger calling Drum-and-Bass "Jake Jungle" sans precedent (Jake is Patois for "white guy"). If you read the Pitchfork article, it was originally meant as a joke, which is fine, but it's not fit for use as the title of an encyclopedia article. I think the best solution is actually to merge this with Contemporary R&B as a section. The label is gonna die out in a few years anyway once music journalists find a new micro-genre to christen. Xerces1492 (talk) 10:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the term "alternative R&B" seems much more prevalent and formal, while "PBR&B" seems to be an exclusively-internet thing. We can surely include the term as a synonym but as a title it's definitely overstated. Three editors all leaning the same way seems enough to warrant the change, no? GentleCollapse16 (talk) 23:05, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned references in PBR&B
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of PBR&B's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Complex-S-EP": From See.SZA.Run: "Complex EP Newsitem" Zach Frydenlund, 'EP Premiere: SZA See SZA Run', Complex Music, October 29, 2012. From SZA (singer): "Complex debut-EP Newsitem" Zach Frydenlund, 'EP Premiere: SZA  See SZA Run' , Complex Music, October 29, 2012. 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:41, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


 * This is why you don't copy and paste material from other articles and create content forks regurgitating what unrelated articles have said. Dan56 (talk) 23:20, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Stylistic Origins
EDM isn't a musical genre (you could debate that yeah it's a real thing cos people use it but "electronic music" is better established as a term, makes more sense and is more widely accepted) and the similarities to trip hop are pretty clear. The Weeknd even said that the whole of Kiss Land was inspired by Portishead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.104.240 (talk) 13:32, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * According to whom? (WP:PROVEIT) Dan56 (talk) 02:24, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Future garage and dream pop had a reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.194.67 (talk) 02:41, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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