Talk:Alticor/Archives/2012

Previous discussions without headers
Possibly should have a subsidiaries section? Amway, Quixtar, Access Business Group, Interleukin Genetics, Fulton Innovation, Nutrilite Inc, Amway Grand Plaza - others?

Other sources -
 * Forbes.com listing on size - currently 27th largest US private company.
 * Deloitte Touche has Alticor listed as Global Power in Retailing
 * 2005 Winner of US Chamber of Commerce International Community Service Award

--Insider201283 22:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I was working towards doing just that. Where'd you find the list of subsidiaries? I never saw a whole list. The sources you list don't seem to mention them. Are those just for future use? -Will Beback · † · 01:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Found 'em in my head :-) Fulton I only found out about from the recent eCoupled press releases. interleukin is ilgenetics.com. Some others -
 * interleukin also owns allan james group llc.
 * Alticor also bought Gurwitch Products (incl Laura Mercier brand) recently --Insider201283 03:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * A "Nutrilite Health Institute" or something like that is also mentioned somewhere. It'd be great if we could find a comprehensive list or sources for this. -Will Beback · † · 04:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This transaction,, includes a few more: Alticor Global Holdings Inc., Pyxis Innovations Inc., Alticor Holdings Inc. Then, to complicate matters further, the families have separately owned some Amway-related companies, like Amway Japan Limited/N.A.J. Co., Ltd. and Amway Asia Pacific Ltd., It's a tangled web that probably keeps a lot of lawyers and accountants busy. -Will Beback · † · 09:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Also a "Amway Mutual Fund". -Will Beback · † · 09:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

And "Amway of Canada Ltd." - related? -Will Beback · † · 09:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If you're going to get into the international subsidiaries, which are mostly parts of separate american subsidiaries, it will be a very long list :-). I don't think that's necessary. Pyxis Innovations was the R&D group, but looks like has been replaced by Fulton. Nutrilite Health Institute aka Center for Optimal Health don't need separate listings, but the Center for Optimal Health probably should be mentioned in the Nutrilite article, as well as some other stuff (chair at Stanford, other university partnerships things like that)


 * None of these need separate listings, it'd just be nice to include in one list as many of the subsidiaries as we can find. Since Alticor is a global company the foreign subsidiaries should be listed if we can find them. -Will Beback · † · 20:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

International Subsidiaries
A start -


 * Amway (UK) Limited
 * Amway Argentina Inc.
 * Amway Asia Pacific Ltd.
 * Amway Chile S.A.
 * Amway Colombia
 * Amway Corp.
 * Amway Global Inc.
 * Amway GmbH
 * Amway Hotel Corp.
 * Amway Hungaria Marketing Kft
 * Amway Japan Ltd.
 * Amway Malaysia Holdings Bhd
 * Amway South Africa L.L.C.
 * Amway de Mexico S de RL de C.V.
 * Amway do Brasil Ltda.
 * Quixtar Canada Corp.
 * Nutrilite Inc.
 * Access Business Group
 * Amway Scandinavia (America) LLC
 * Amway Scandinavia Denmark, Inc.
 * Amway India Enterprises
 * Gurwitch Products
 * Interleukin Genetics Inc.
 * Alan James Group LLC
 * Access Business Group International LLC
 * Alticor Global Holdings Inc.
 * OOO Amway
 * Amway of Australia
 * Amway (Europe) Ltd.
 * PT Amindoway Jaya

just brainstorming them for now. Some I don't yet have sources for. --Insider201283 20:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Great. What's our source? -Will Beback · † · 05:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For many of them it was starting at www.amway.com and listing through subsidiaries and checking contact details for company name. Others was googling to confirm preexisting knowledge - in other words virtually a separate source for every single one :-(. And there's more to go. --Insider201283 11:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please record those sources as you find them so we can all verify the info. -Will Beback · † · 23:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is a sources that has a bunch of them . MAGIC CARPET AVIATION seems to be another.  Spshu 20:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Logos
I've put the logo image back. I did not notice its removal at the time, or I would have put it back sooner. Every logo depicted on it is a company that is a wholly owned subsidiary. go to the alticor site: and click on "Alticore companies" and you will see this composite logo. The only thing done to it was to refactor the placement a bit to make it fit the article better. So, let's discuss. If you claim this logo is NOT fair use please explain exactly why. Thank you. ++Lar: t/c 14:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge With Amway
I was looking over this article and noticed that there really isn't anything substantial that sets apart Alticor from Amway. Much of the content here is duplicative of the material in Amway and it would seem to make more sense to include it in a small subection of the Amway article. It would seem logical for the Amway spinoff articles (i.e. Alticor, Amway Global, and Amway Australia) to be merged and redirected to Amway (as was done with Quixtar previously). It doesn't seem to serve any helpful purpose to have so many seperate articles that essentially all cover the same subject matter. At present, there is content in the spinoff articles that duplicates material in the main Amway article, and some that is not included in Amway but should be. It's really very confusing and seems entirely unnecessary to have so many article versions pertaining to the same subject when it could be effectively handled (with less fragementation and duplication of material) in one article. For starters, header notes on the spinoff articles alerting the reader to also refer to Amway would be helpful. Rhode Island Red (talk) 22:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)