Talk:Alton Towers/Archive 2

Rubber dinghy rapids, bro!
We need at least some mention of this ride and that it was Waj's visualization of heaven in Four Lions (2010). Rubber dinghy rapids, bro! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.3.77.210 (talk) 17:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Logos
Since both logos are practically identical can fair use really be justified on the pre-2008 logo? Million_Moments (talk) 15:57, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Rumours vs Fact
Just reading down the page, there seems to be a lot of rumours (without sources) integrated into the main article. I'm just wondering whether moving them to a dedicated 'Rumours' section might be an idea, as viewers of the page might not pick up that they're rumours and misinterpret them as fact. Thoughts? Mike1901 (talk) 12:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

what alton towers is
alton towers is a theme park and its not to far away from the uk so its pretty a place where many can enjoy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.196.255 (talk) 22:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Most Visited In The UK?
The reference on the sentence immediately after the one asserting "It attracts around 2.8 million visitors per year making it the most visited theme park in the United Kingdom." actually shows that Blackpool Pleasure Beach attracted 5.5 million visitors in 2007 versus Alton Towers' 2.4 million. Is there a more recent statistic that places a) the number at 2.8 million and b) it above Pleasure Beach? CoW mAnX (talk) 21:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Area Timeline
The timelin is incorrect, as it states that Mutiny Bay was introduced in 2009. It was in fact opened in 2008. Can somebody correct it? I am not able to do it. Thanks.Woombamillio (talk) 12:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Themeparkgc   Talk  22:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Tree line/noise issues.
While not near the park, or even living in england, I know for a fact that Alton towers has fairly stringent noise and visual requirements, which is why most of it's rides are below the treeline, and anything that isn't tends to be painted to blend in. This can be seen by a quick look on roller coaster database. Yet, using the find option on my browser, a search for the words "tree", "tree line", "noise", "height", "loud", and "neighbor" only brought up some complains about fireworks and noisy hotel guests. I would figure the unique height restriction would merit a mention. Imascrabblefreak (talk) 00:50, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Seperate articles
IMO the history section is large enough, and with images, to have it's own page called Alton Towers. Concerning the area, the property and its owners.

This page can then become Alton Towers Theme Park, which is its proper name. Then it can all about the rides, facilities of the modern park.

It seems silly to have two thirds of the article about the last 20 years, yet the first 1/3 cover the previous 2000 years!! Just because they concern the same site does not make them the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.4.10 (talk) 13:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I aggree, maybe posting a discussion to seperate the article would be an idea. -Usx9 (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * History of Alton Towers? It could encompass the sections on History, List of past rides and New and proposed attractions with a short summary of these being left in the main article. Themeparkgc   Talk  22:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The time has come
I really do think it is time to split the articles, one concerning the history of the house and gardens, the other regarding the theme park.109.149.208.41 (talk) 18:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Rumors
I will now go through the SW7 part of the article, adding citicisation requests and removing any unsourced rumors that I feel are just rediculaus (and yes, I know that lost mispelt!) Mdann52 (talk) 10:07, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I ACCIDENTALLY THE ROLLERCOASTER TABLE
OH GAWD PLEASE FIX THIS AM NOT GOOD WITH WIKIPEDIA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.67.238 (talk) 18:01, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * lol XD Earflaps (talk) 18:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
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Smiler accident
As the page exists today, the Smiler accident which closed the park for some weeks, never happened. Yes, if you click through to the "Incidents" article, it's there. And it's also there if you click through to the Smiler article. But nothing whatsoever in this article. Largely down to user A1t2u3, who has been assiduous in removing such mentions and has done very little else (actually nothing else) on wikipedia. The incident was significant enough to appear in this main article, which in many ways simply reads like a tourist brochure, however inconvenient that may be to Merlin Entertainments and their unsubtle agents. da nn o _ u k 23:12, 4 June 2016 (UTC)


 * It's a tricky one - Wikipedia isn't a newspaper and as such all information has got to be encyclopaedic and reliably sourced, whether positive or negative. Personally, I'm of the view that the link to the Incidents article is sufficient, as it contains details of all major incidents, not just the Smiler's - after all, for example, the Runaway Mine Train crash got a significant amount of publicity at the time it happened, so where would you draw the line in terms of incidents mentioned in the main article? Mike1901 (talk) 11:13, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I would argue that the fact that this incident caused the entire park to be closed for a week is noteworthy in the main article. As far as I'm aware, none of the other incidents resulted in such an extreme response. On a subjective side, I believe that if I were a general visitor to wikipedia and not an editor, but with some knowledge of the incident, I would find it very odd that it didn't appear in the article and would wonder about wikipedia's neutrality. I have no axe to grind against Alton Towers itself - I very much like the place and have had some great times there - but with my editor hat on this omission seriously bothers me. da nn o _ u k  21:07, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * A brief summary of the major incidents that occurred at Alton Towers should be mentioned in this article. Then, extensive coverage can continue in the main incidents article. Sections within an article should always contain content; they need more than just a hatnote. Either we add content here, or we move the link to the "See also" section. The "add content" option is preferred. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:11, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * "I would argue that the fact that this incident caused the entire park to be closed for a week is noteworthy in the main article." So it's not noteworthy because of the horrific injuries it caused to some people, just because the park closed for a few weeks? Smells like someone had tickets booked and couldn't go and still hasn't gotten over it... – Dyolf87 (talk) 11:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Cleaning up this article
I've made a change to the opening section of the article to remove information about Early Ride Time. It's an example of the article reading like a visitor's guide rather than being particularly encyclopaedic.

The article is in need of some major restructuring:
 * There's a lot of duplication listing the same rides in different ways (list of rides, ride statistics, descriptions of the themed areas and their rides, 'secret weapon' developments, timeline of rides)
 * We have lists about benign things like restaurants which does not appear to be notable. Whilst an outlet like the Rollercoaster Restaurant is probably notable due to its uniqueness, the article does not provide context for the reader.
 * There's a lot of information about events and Scarefest - which again isn't very notable. Wikipedia seems to be the sole source on former years' attractions.
 * The 'incidents', 'conservation area restrictions' and 'court cases' could be easily consolidated into a 'Controversy and incidents' section (or similar)

I fear that without a major restructure, future edits by other users are going to continue to fragment or duplicate information across the article. JordanHatch (talk) 10:01, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * List of rides should remain the main list of rides. I think the ride statistics should be replaced by a list of current and previous recorder holding rides, either with all the listed statistics or more likely the record holding statistic only. The Secret Weapon system is probably worth keeping. The list of food outlets is unlikely to be worth keeping, though the Rollercoaster Restaurant should be notable. It is probably worth keeping the mention of the changeover from franchise agreements to in-house provision for the food outlets. PriceDL (talk) 10:40, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Ride statistics table does not sort correctly.
Specifically the height, length and riders per train section are sorting alphabetically not as numbers. Presumably this is because the data is a mixture of numbers and letters. Can this be fixed? 82.17.48.214 (talk) 22:08, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Yes, alphanumeric entries can throw off sorting. You have to use data-sort-type="number" in the column header to make sure it only sorts as numbers. I modified the table, so it should be good now. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:03, 23 October 2017 (UTC)