Talk:Alveolar click

Miqmaq
There is a postalveolar click consonant in the Miqmaq or Mi'kmaw language that is also represented by the letter 'q.' 209.244.43.16 01:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There are no clicks in the Americas. The Míkmaq article states is a velar fricative, [x]. kwami 02:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Kirshenbaum
 is used for a retroflex stop, so this should be  to be consistent with the proposal and the dental click a . This should also be included on the Kirshenbaum page. Rhdunn (talk) 16:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Covered in the article for that click. Ref, though?  — kwami (talk) 08:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * This page lists both  and  for the Kirshenbaum transcription. Kirshenbaum (http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Evan_Kirshenbaum/IPA/faq.html) lists  as either alveolar or palatal in Appendix D and E. The note associated with the Kirshenbaum entry in this page states "Using 〈c!〉 for 〈ǂ〉 and 〈t.!〉 for 〈ǃ〉 in more in keeping with the philosophy of the proposal, which was that the !-diacritic for clicks should accompany the homorganic stop." However, according to Appendix C of the Kirshenbaum proposal, <.> is used for retroflex and <[> for dental. Thus, you have  for the dental, alveolar and retroflex voiceless plosives (also per Appendix D). Therefore, to be in keeping with the Kirshenbaum proposal which uses <!> to denote clicks of which   (palatal) and  are based on their equivalent stops. Therefore, the dental click should be  or  and the alveolar click . Rhdunn (talk) 16:19, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Will delete the note. — kwami (talk) 22:43, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move
no consensus to move. --regentspark (comment) 18:42, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Alveolar click → Alveolar clicks – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:42, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Recently, the click articles (Bilabial clicks, Dental clicks, Alveolar click, Lateral clicks, Palatal clicks) were moved to plural-titled articles. Then this one was moved back. They should be consistently pluralized, so move this one or the others, whichever the MOS prefers. 155.33.149.25 (talk) 16:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support The reason given for the move was the MOS. However, this is the kind of case you have with Romance languages: it is not a single topic, there is no "alveolar click" except as a member of a category, and people get confused by singular usage. — kwami (talk) 00:15, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nor is there any plosive except as a member of a category, but that article title is singular too. Actually, I'm not even sure your claim is accurate, but it's irrelevant anyway. As for the claim people get confused, the current use of plural titles is far more confusing. Andrewa (talk) 05:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Motivation for plural is not within WP:MOS.
 * Earlier Talk on this was left by Kwami without conclusion (and, before talking!, Kwami already had reverted: Talk:11:32, Revert: 11:26. It appears that Kwami only goes with procedures --including Talk-- when it suits them. -DePiep (talk) 23:59, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The other members of Category:Click consonants should instead be moved to the singular. There seems to have been no reason for the moves to the plural, or even any discussion, see for example Talk:Bilabial clicks. Andrewa (talk) 05:24, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

A great example ...
is the wonderful song performed live on stage by the young Miriam Makeba in 1960, commonly called the Click Song: audio only Now I wonder if this would actually have a place in the article, or if you guys rather don't want to see these "examples" in a phonology-related (read: "linguistic", thus scientific) article. -andy 2.242.104.216 (talk) 02:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


 * It's a great example, even if the audio quality isn't the best. However, we need to consider copyright.  Probably a clip would be okay.  We'd also need a transcription so people can follow with which are the q's.  — kwami (talk) 06:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Assessment
Wugapodes (talk) 01:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 18 August 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 19:20, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

– Per WP:SINGULAR. Kwamikagami boldly moved these articles to the current names years ago, with the summary "family of clicks", but I find this to be showing a lack of understanding of the guideline. Bantu languages is at Bantu languages because a language can only be classified as a Bantu language because of its similarities and differences to other languages. Phonetic sounds are different. An alveolar click remains an alveolar click no matter the articulatory accompaniment or lack thereof because it is a physiological fact. Otherwise we would have to move all the other articles about phonetic sounds to their plural counterparts, but a stop is a stop, a coronal is a coronal, whatever their other properties may be. Nardog (talk) 08:04, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Alveolar clicks → Alveolar click
 * Bilabial clicks → Bilabial click
 * Dental clicks → Dental click
 * Ejective-contour clicks → Ejective-contour click
 * Glottalized clicks → Glottalized click
 * Lateral clicks → Lateral click
 * Nasal clicks → Nasal click
 * Palatal clicks → Palatal click
 * Pulmonic-contour clicks → Pulmonic-contour click
 * Retroflex clicks → Retroflex click
 * Support as the proposed titles are more natural and in line with the other articles about sounds: Voiceless bilabial stop for example is titled in the singular even though – like the clicks – it covers a family of sounds: [p], [pʰ], [p̚] etc. – Uanfala (talk) 12:17, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Per WP:SINGULAR. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:08, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per above.  Daß &thinsp;  Wölf  03:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Terminology and notation question
What do the table headers "Trans. I", "Trans. II", and "Trans. III" mean? I assume all of these are in modern IPA notation? -- Beland (talk) 18:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)