Talk:Amadeus VIII, Duke of Savoy

Two Margarets ?
Its not unusual at all to have two children with the same name, but only if the first one is deceased. It seems implausible to name a second daughter, Margaret, in 1610, if the first Margaret ( 1605-1618 ) is still living.Tallewang (talk) 08:36, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * According to Leo van de Pas, the first is Marguerite(1405-1418), the second is Margarethe(1420-1479). --Kansas Bear (talk) 08:54, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Unreliable source
Fabpedigree.com and familytree.com are not reliable sources, both are unpublished, non-peer reviewed with no academic author. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:08, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Some Notable Descendants
I want to add this for those interested in genealogy. I am pretty sure both sources I gave are well reseached and further supporting evidence can be extracted from the Wikipedia articles.

Felix V is an ancestor of every French monarch from Francis I (succ 1515) onwards and, through Mary Queen of Scots, Queen Elizabeth II, UK Prime Minister David Cameron and Umberto II, the last king of Italy. http://fabpedigree.com/s076/f662700.htm http://humphrysfamilytree.com/famous.thelist.html#henry.ii


 * "I am pretty sure both sources I gave are well reseached and further supporting evidence can be extracted from the Wikipedia articles."
 * I'm pretty sure pedigree.com and familytree.com are not reliable sources. Feel free to ask at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Also, Wikipedia articles can not be used to reference Wikipedia. FYI, blogs are not reliable sources, either. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:46, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you KB. Here is a line of descendants from Felix V to Queen Elizabeth II. It shows the descendant on the left of each row with the other parent on the right of each line. I am convinced it is well sourced. Please let me know if there are any errors or inaccuracies. AlwynJPie (talk) 01:19, 28 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Amadeus VIII of Savoy, Pope Felix V (1383-1451) = Mary of Burgundy (1380-1422) are parents of:
 * Louis I of Savoy (1413-1465) = Anne of Cyprus (1418-1462) are parents of:
 * Margaret of Savoy (1439-1483) = Peter II Count of Saint-Pol (1440-1482) are parents of:
 * Marie of Luxembourg (1472-1547) = François of Bourbon, Count of Vendôme (1470-1495)
 * Antoinette de Bourbon (1493-1583) = Claude of Guise (1496-1550) are parents of:
 * Mary of Guise (1515-1560) = James V King of Scots (1512-1542) are parents of:
 * Mary Queen of Scots (1542-1587) = Lord Darnley (1545-1567) are parents of:
 * James VI & I (1566-1625) = Anne of Denmark (1574-1619) are parents of:
 * Elizabeth Stuart (1596-1662) = Frederick V Elector Palatine (1596-1632) are parents of:
 * Sophia, Electress of Hanover (1630-1714) = Ernest Augustus (1629-1698) are parents of:
 * George I (1660-1727) = Sophia Dorothea of Brunswick and Luneburg (1666-1726) are parents of:
 * George II (1683-1760) = Caroline of Brandenburg-Ansbach (1683-1737) are parents of:
 * Frederick, Prince of Wales (1707-1751) = Augusta of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg (1719–1772) are parents of:
 * George III (1738-1820) = Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1744–1818) are parents of:
 * Adolphus of Cambridge (1774-1850) = Augusta of Hesse-Kassel (1797-1889) are parents of:
 * Mary Adelaide Wilhelmina Elizabeth (1833-1897) = Francis of Teck (1837-1900) are parents of:
 * Mary of Teck (1867-1953) = George V (1865-1936) are parents of:
 * George VI (1895-1952) = Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (1900-2002) are parents of:
 * Elizabeth II (1926-)
 * AlwynJPie (talk) 01:41, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 28 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 20:12, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Antipope Felix V → Amadeus VIII, Duke of Savoy – These two articles should be swapped with the Amadeus article being the main page and Felix V being the redirect. As antipope, Amadeus was recognised only by the Council of Florence and briefly by a few select countries. His position as antipope is an historical footnote. Meanwhile, his role as first Duke of Savoy is an important step in the progression of Savoy from an Imperial county to the future Kingdom of Sardinia and Italy. Had Amadeus been a true and recognised pope, I would have no complaints, but he was not and so his highest recognised title should be the one used for his Wikipedia article. Furthermore, he abdicated as "pope" and never abandoned his ducal title. Finally, unlike the listings for other antipopes on Wikipedia, Amadeus actually has a full Imperial title outside of his pretentious papal title, thus providing him with a better and more factual alternative option. The article for the other languages are split on this issue, but of the three most important – French, Italian, and German – the former two both use his name Amadeus rather than Felix. Let us recognise Amadeus for the important ducal transitional figure that he was, and not for the strange moment in his life when he pretended to something he never actually possessed. – Whaleyland ( Talk •  Contributions ) 00:10, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. None of the arguments made in the nomination are in fact relevant, but see here and here. Gulangyu (talk) 09:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Matthewrobertolson (talk) 03:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


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