Talk:Amagasaki derailment

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It is not clear what kind of "Automatic Train Protection" system was installed on this line. ATP would have restricted the speed of the train around the sharp curve to a safe speed.

Tabletop 03:11, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fukuchiyama-line was installed "Automatic Train Stop" system, but it was most primitive protection system that only stops train runing in red signal. New system will be installed in this June... 220.219.168.201 20:45, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Similarities with Waterfall Accident
In the Waterfall train disaster the speed of the train rose and rose and rose approaching a very sharp curve.

It derailled on that curve killing 7 (the train was fairly empty).

The passengers noticed the increase in speed, and while they may have had a telephone to talk to the guard, none did to complain.

The guard ought to have known about the sharp curve. The guard could have applied the brakes, but did not. Guards are entitled to apply the brakes when there are strange noises and things, under the "stop and inspect" rule.

At Waterfall, there is only the Automatic Train Stop system, no ATP.

Tabletop 11:36, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Under the Cause Section...
The following text is poor English, but I don't know what to do about it; I'm not even sure what the exact intent is of the words "congested diagram" and "meet other lines":

Right after the rail crash occurred, some of the mass media were pointing out that the congested diagram of Fukuchiyama Line was an indirect factor. Actually, there was a little time to meet another lines, but the train capacity was not as large as other railways in Japan. --Tomwhite56 19:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Diagram" or ダイヤ　refers to the timetable, or the coordinated train operation pattern. I believe "there was little time to meet another lines" refers to how the timetables were coordinated so Fukuchiyama Line trains would connect with Tokaido Line trains at Amagasaki Station, but the timetables gave very little margin for delays.
 * In any case, you're right that it's piss poor English and requires citation anyway. Ytny (talk) 21:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I've clarified the explanation of the tight schedule with some information from the official report, and removed the uncited reference to the Hankyū line. Does this help? Achurch 09:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Number of injured
An October 2008 Daily Yomiuri article notes the number of injuries as 562 unlike the wikipedia article.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20081011TDY02303.htm

Also noted in the article, the Public Prosecutor's office has been questioning the JRWest president and searching the offices for materials and evidence. --219.108.24.231 (talk) 10:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Little in Japan
The article fails to mention that the accident train and line were narrow gauge (1067mm), which was likely the ultimate cause of the disaster! In case of Stepenson gauge (1432-1435mm) or russian wide gauge, the track in the bends can be laid with an "Indianapolis oval" type tilt, so that trains can safely negotiate them at high speed.

(The tilting of tracks in bends is not possible on the narrow gauge, because the trainset's center of balance easily goes outside of the 1067mm gap between the two rails. Therefore any train arriving at low speeds would statically tip over, much like the famous tower of Pisa.)

Therefore Japan shall convert all of its train lines to standard or wide gauge in order to avoid similar accidents in the future! 91.82.32.1 (talk) 20:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you believe so, insert that info yourself. The more info, the best. But don't forget to include a source, otherwise I myself shall remove it. But I gotta tell you that I haven't seen anything like that. I don't know if you're familiarized with the TV show Seconds From Disaster, but that's the documentary where I saw the investigation of this accident. And there, they mentioned nothing about the gauge of the curve. They actually said, if I'm well-remembered and got it right, that the radius of the curve had been reduced years earlier from 600 to 304 degrees (narrowing it). But this radius and the gauge had, in my opinion, few to do with the crash, because, as I saw, the train was 1.5 times faster than the speed limit. The speed limit (70 km/h) had obviously been calculated based on the gauge and the radius. However, the ultimate reason was obviously the fact that the train was going faster than 106 km/h, which is the speed on which, a train going faster than it would derail. That's what happened. He was going at 116 km/h, probably distracted and stressed about the punishments he would receive for having previously committed other 2 mistakes. Neither the speed limit or the line gauge are to blame, but the severity of retraining programs, which led a driver to stress, and eventually to disaster. That's the true reason. -- Sim(ã)o(n)  * Wanna talk? See my  efforts?  12:22, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Final report files
English excerpt: http://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/eng-rail_report/RA2007-3-1en.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9B8lYSv

Final report in Japanese: WhisperToMe (talk) 07:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Index: http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/bunkatsu.html - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9BcRfld
 * Cover page: http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9Bf2J2J
 * http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-1.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9Biw3Go
 * http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-2.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9BrEQIA
 * http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-3.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9BypCJC
 * http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-4.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9C4FyPm
 * http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-5.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9CBefmt
 * http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-6.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9CNe43c
 * http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/railway/report/RA07-3-1-7.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6U9CTihKf

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Requested move 28 April 2024

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Amagasaki derailment → JR Fukuchiyama Line Derailment accident – In the Japanese version, it is a JR福知山線脱線事故(English:JR Fukuchiyama Line derailment), and it is better to unify it. H.K.pauw (talk) 02:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Trains, WikiProject Japan, WikiProject Disaster management, and WikiProject Trains in Japan have been notified of this discussion. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 22:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose First off, "derailment accident" is not correct English as you are using duplicative words, already making this proposal dead on arrival, and secondly we at English Wikipedia are not governed by whatever conventions Japanese Wikipedia chooses to use. Different language Wikipedias can and do have different guidelines and policies. You would need to show that there is significant usage of the proposed name in secondary sources. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 23:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Trainsandotherthings. Nyamo Kurosawa (talk) 06:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)