Talk:Amanda Serrano

Linealboxingchampion
The WP:ONUS is solely on you to establish a consensus for the inclusion of your disputed edit, not for me to establish a consensus for exclusion. Seeing as you didn't read WP:BRD, I'll start the discussion for you. There is no evidence (that you've provided, or that I can find) that linealboxingchampion.com (LBC) is notable by Wikipedia's standards. The website itself fails to satisfy WP:NWEB, with no WP:Significant coverage in WP:Reliable sources. So, by extension, it's rankings aren't notable either. Wikipedia's standards are what matter here, not what a journalist decides to write, so your rationale here holds no weight. It's a passing mention. I'm also failing to understand how including a ranking from an apparently non-notable website adds WP:Balance. There is no imbalance or bias in only including female rankings from The Ring, as The Ring is indisputably notable (that's not even up for debate). Do you have any policy-based arguments for it's inclusion? – 2 . O . Boxing  14:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

This discussion can be continued at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing. – 2 . O . Boxing  14:42, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Here is some useful information and talking points for anyone involved in this discussion, regarding the inclusion of ratings produced by Lineal Boxing Champion (LBC) alongside other ratings, such as those from ESPN, BoxRec and Ring. Remember that this is in relation to *women’s boxing* so sites/organisations that analysts are familiar with in men’s boxing may not necessarily be the same with women’s boxing. The popularity of women’s boxing is also significantly smaller, so naturally the quantity and diversity of reference material available will also be dramatically smaller.

Please also consider that LBC was the first site to ever produce non-computerised monthly rankings in women’s boxing - existing over 1 year before The Ring began producing monthly women’s ratings (so, for instance for 2019, The Ring’s ratings cannot be used…as there were none).


 * Panel Members*

Their international ratings panel include Women’s Hall of Fame member David Avila, Ring Magazine journalist Yuriko Myata and Mexican television (TUDN) pundit Inaky Arzate, as well as former Boxing Monthly journalist, Anthony Cocks.


 * References*

Boxing Scene’s managing editor, Cliff Rold (who was a founder of the TBRB, and is a member of the Boxing Writer’s Association of America and and IBRO member), clearly referenced Lineal Boxing Champion’s divisional rankings in his preview for Serrano Vs Bermudez this year. Lineal Boxing Champion has also been referenced by sites such as DAZN (Eddie Hearn’s new TV network application), MMA Mania, Bad Left Hook, PWR (a popular Polish site), Izquierdazo (a popular Mexican site), and Women’s Boxing Archive (an invaluable source of information for decades in women’s boxing, the editor of which, Sue Fox, created the Women’s Boxing Hall of Fame).


 * Only Site With An Electronic Archive*

The site produces the only women’s rankings in the world that have an electronic archive. The Ring and BoxRec do not. Therefore the only easily accessible way for Wikipedia editors to retrospectively add ratings to female boxer pages, across the board, is to use LBC archives.


 * A Note on BoxRec, ESPN, and The Ring*

BoxRec’s rankings are erratic and unreliable. Case in point: Ashleigh Curry. Curry is currently #1 at light heavyweight with BoxRec - yet Curry has NEVER had a light heavyweight bout and hasn’t won any fight in over 2 years!

ESPN do not produce divisional rankings for women. The Ring came into existence over a year AFTER Lineal Boxing Champion, and has no online accessible archive of its rankings.


 * Conclusion*

ESPN do not produce divisional rankings in women’s boxing. BoxRec’s ratings are unreliable and largely meaningless.

I am in favour of referencing The Ring’s ratings, but for impartiality and balance (and to remove the appearance of bias for an American magazine, Ring, which is owned by American promoter Oscar De La Hoya), another site’s rankings should also be cited - the only other rankings in women’s boxing are produced by Lineal Boxing Champion.

I hope you find this contribution worthwhile.

Kind regards,

Anthony Anthony Williams Boxing (talk) 14:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

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