Talk:Amaranth Advisors

Merge
After reading the Amaranth (hedge fund) article - I agree the two should be merged and one of them deleted. But I'm new at this, where do we go from here? (I'm biased of course because I originated the Amaranth Advisors article but speaking as objectively as I can, the title, Amaranth Advisors is more accurate than Amaranth (hedge fund) WynnQuon 03:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries, I'll help talk you through it. :)  In terms of name, the general policy on Wikipedia is to use the "most common name", meaning the name that is most commonly used in the press to refer to the entity.  So in this case, I'd say that that should be "Amaranth Advisors."  Unless there's objection, you should manually merge the information from the "hedge fund" article into the Advisors article.  Then, if there's still no objection in a day or two, set up the hedge fund article to be a redirect to Advisors, with the syntax  .  If you have other questions, let me know. :) --Elonka 20:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Elonka! I re-read the "Amaranth (hedge fund)" article and it seems the stuff that has stayed relevant is mostly the External links, so I've copied some of those over to the "Advisors" article. The rest of the article refers to transient events which, though interesting at the time, I thought we should leave out.WynnQuon
 * Redirection completed. WynnQuon 02:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a lot of confusion in the general public (and on Wikipedia) as to the distinction between "hedge funds" and the companies that manage them (often called "hedge fund management companies", "alternative investment management companies", etc. Neither of these entities are well-defined, let alone regulated.  Anyway, it may be useful to start separate pages referring to the funds themselves, e.g. Amaranth Fund, and the company / management structure, Amaranth Advisors LLC. --Whiskey Pete November 24, 2006
 * Sorry but I disagree with the merger proposal. Reason #1: Amaranth is history and Hunter is an ongoing saga. #2: In merging we will lose/trade-off detailed bio of Hunter and his future career. #3: Amaranth is better written and better sourced. Merger will bring in the inadequacies of the Hunter article which should be improved by itself. Reading the sources will probably also lead to beefing up of the Hunter article. #4 (most importantly): The treatments of a live person and a defunct company must differ. I for one am still reading the Senate's investigation report and I expect more matter to come out of this reading. Nshuks7 (talk) 07:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Given that Brian Hunter did not do anything noteworthy either before or after the Amaranth collapse, I would like to propose merging his handful of paragraphs into this article. WP:BLP1E is appropriate here. - Frankie1969 (talk) 14:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Granted that the rest of his life may be overshadowed by Amaranth but details regarding his life before and after Amaranth will be odd and out of place in this article. Nicholas Maounis may be left aside as WP:BLP1E. Not Hunter. Nshuks7 (talk) 14:58, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hunter's life before Amaranth is unimportant (lots of traders have similar stories) and could be deleted. His SAC job offer and subsequent promotion have relevant context for Amaranth. His later events, including Solengo, are already in this article. - Frankie1969 (talk) 22:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * We can delete the part about Solengo here - it's irrelevant. Also, though a lot of traders have stories, but this trader made headlines. Let's leave it for a while, see if Hunter does something interesting. Still alive and kicking, he is. Nshuks7 (talk) 10:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Neither "He was in the news" nor "What if he does something else?" are valid reasons for a one-eventer to have their own entry, but since you and I are apparently the only two people who care, I'll leave it alone. - Frankie1969 (talk) 11:54, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced/POV
Not saying I agree or disagree with what is said, but it's best not to leave 'commented' text on article pages -- better to clip out the text and bring it to the discussion page. -- Whiskey Pete


 * "The collapse of the Amaranth fund is cited as an example of inadequate risk controls and excessive greed among hedge funds and/or an example of why the free market works so well: the company made a very bad decision and was severely punished for it."
 * Reference ? It's simply false. LCTM has also been severly punished, but it has been A MAJOR RISK for financial markets. The FED considered it was a major threat to "free" markets. -- 82.230.102.65

MotherRock
I am about to add a section on how Amaranth influenced commodity prices and also led to the folding og MotherRock. Any suggestions? Nshuks7 (talk) 11:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I should put together a nice piece describing how Brian Hunter is in the business of flipping one giant coin with other people's money. --Justinlexington (talk) 21:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Amaranth Advisors LLC wasn't a "hedge fund."
It was an investment adviser to hedge funds. There were a number of hedge funds that the firm advised.

See, e.g., www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2007/34-55728.pdf

"Amaranth Advisors L.L.C., a Delaware limited liability company which has its headquarters and principal place of business in Greenwich, Connecticut, is an unregistered investment adviser to five hedge funds. At all times, Amaranth has had full discretion to make investment decisions for the funds it advises."

HedgeFundBob (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

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