Talk:Amazon Fire

Operating System
Amazon has made no announcements or indications they'll update the Kindle Fire to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich, it is only available via rooting the device. Unless the plan is to update EVERY single Android device article with every last ROM that it can be rooted with, there's no reason to keep it up there; it is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.251.103.42 (talk) 20:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

PRC file format
What is the "PRC" file format supported by the device? Is it PRC (file format) - I'm not very familiar with this - is it common?Imgaril (talk) 22:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

PRC (Palm OS)?Lavasnots (talk) 02:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Comparison of e-book formats /wangi (talk) 12:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Kindle Fire Hardware
Brief hardware comparison between the Amazon and Barnes & Noble tablets: see Amazon: Yes, We Know You'll Root Our Tablet article. Maybe someone can use this reference to fill in the infobox. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  06:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think its all already in there.Imgaril (talk) 11:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Kindle Fire images
Two of the images uploaded were copyvios, and came from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChaseJ589, another file has been uploaded - this third image File:Kindle fire logo.png appears to be a degraded version of the logo appearing on Amazon's website - it does not actually match accurately the true logo. I suggest it is not used. It is possible that the true logo may be usable under fair use considerations (or due to being simple enough to be non-copyrightable). That is a different issue.Imgaril (talk) 23:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC) I think the iPad and iPod comparison images are misleading.The iPad and iPod are shown with black cases that extend beyond the device and which are difficult to disinguish given the low contrast, making them appear larger than they actually are. The Kindle Fire is shot with a light grey case that is much easier to distinguish from the device, making it appear smaller by comparison. It would be better to have comparison shots without cases if available. Mb0457 (talk) 01:48, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Functionality not present
diff It's not clear to me that mentioning every feature the Kindle Fire lacks (presumably in comparison to the iPad) is encyclopedic, or relevent. Also it would be wise to hold off writing about unknown specs.

For the record the current list appears to be: Bluetooth, 3G, Camera, SD cards, microphone. Some of that is mentioned here  Also no cellular, no GPS  Also no accelerometer / gyroscope, no HDMI  These reports may not be accurate. Imgaril (talk) 17:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Also ePUB support - of all this is probably most relevant - Amazon hasn't listed support built in yet it is possible to read ePUB books via an online via a webpage - so in one sense ePUB support is there. I don't want to advertise so search "epub online" or similar - there are a number of solutions. The issue will probably need to be covered properly when the more is known about the device.Imgaril (talk) 00:16, 3 October 2011 (UTC) It has been confirmed that although the device lacks most of what was mentioned above, it does indeed have an accelerometer.--Andreuu161 (talk) 07:37, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Added POV tag
The Features section reads like a review rather than an encyclopedia article. I'll clean it up later if I have time. Zerbey (talk) 21:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

It was shit, anything relevant was already mentioned in the section above - I deleted it. --Cameron Scott (talk) 21:57, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Rooting
Section talks about something having been accomplished, but does not even approach an explanation of what it is.--Mfwills (talk) 10:53, 1 December 2011 (UTC) There is now a good Wikipedia article on Android rooting that should be linked to.--Aarons510 (talk) 02:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

RIM PlayBook comparisons
PlayBook is very similar in size and uses the same CPU/GPU set. While Fire is often seen as the iPad's biggest challenge, a lot of other analysts thing other Android tables will suffer most. Flightsoffancy (talk) 17:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Another criticism is the fact that the Amazon Appstore is not available anywhere outside of the US
"Another criticism is the fact that the Amazon Appstore is not available anywhere outside of the US" Is this really a criticism of the Kindle Fire, seems more like a criticism of Amazon/Amazon Appstore. Especially as the Fire isn't available outside the US yet anyway? Isn't that a bit like saying that a criticism of the Wallmart is that they don't have a firearms department in England even though firearms aren't available in England, or Wallmart for that matter? MattUK (talk) 13:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea; it seems fairly unrelated and not a notable 'problem' at any rate. The source pre-dates the release of the Fire as well.  Would support the removal of this.  Kuru   (talk)  22:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Removed MattUK (talk) 10:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

USA-centric article
"The Kindle Fire... was released on November 15, 2011" - can this paragraph be updated to say this refers to the United States only? We're still waiting for the Kindle Fire in the UK - in fact, the amazon.co.uk Kindle home page doesn't even mention this as an upcoming product. 87.112.49.224 (talk) 20:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Be bold and put it in yourself. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:10, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I think this is pretty much irelevant, Spotify was only available in the UK for a long time but the article didn't make a bit thing of it, and it happens with many other products, they don't all list in the wikipedia article where they are and aren't available. MattUK (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:06, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Some users of the Kindle Fire report having problems with Wi-Fi, including inability to connect
So, let's analyse this silly FUD. Somewhere on plant earth at least two people have had a problem connecting a particular device to their particular WiFi. And this is notable how? I'm not a Fire owner, I have zero interest in religious tablet wars, this just seems pointless 'it is referneced so it should be in the article' crud. Greglocock (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I also agree. In addition, the article in question is 5 months old, so the issue could have been fixed in that time with a simple firmware update. So, unless there is a more recent citation, or a firm argument of why it should be on the article, I'll be removing it, in addition to the comment on the 'slow' USB speed, as pages on other tablets do not mention transfer speeds through USB or other devices, in addition to the comment on the 'slow' USB speed, as pages on other tablets do not mention transfer speeds through USB or other devices. (PST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.150.237 (talk)

No 'Reception' section?
Generally a product like this will have one. Why is it lacking one here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.109.26 (talk) 18:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Hacking/ROM community
The KF is one of the few really big devices in the Android ROM community. It was notably one of the first devices (if not THE first device) for which an unofficial Android 4.1 Jelly Bean ROM was made. I have no idea what the section would look like, but there really should be a blurb here about it.Roothorick (talk) 16:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Such a section would need to cite to a reliable published source, not simply a forum that shows that soemone did it. The source would need to assert the significance of the claim, and the claim itself. - BilCat (talk) 17:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Software Section - Relevance
What is the point of listing file formats that the Kindle can read. If it is running such an open platform as Android software for virtually any file extension is available.

This section therefore reads more like an advert saying that the product can handle all these common formats, rather than an accurate description of the functionality, despite being technically true. 78.144.79.169 (talk) 23:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Sensor
This paragraph has been deleted previously on the grounds that it lacks authoritative references. But in my opinion, considering the preponderance of evidence based on information taken from the Internet, the existence of this sensor and the fact that it doesn't presently function has become a well-known fact.

The information about the Kindle Fire's disabled ambient light sensor was culled together from blog posts by several different users who were recounting their experiences with the device, along with my own experience. Other websites show the ambient light sensor being removed from the device. On my original edit I gave as a source a posting that had screen shots from diagnostic software that was used on the Kindle fire giving information on the light sensor along with several other sensors. This was the page: http://www.ericbt.com/Blog/169

It seems that although blogs may not qualify as references, some allowance might be made when there is a preponderance of evidence from different sources.

The following page from Amazon (below) shows indirectly that a light sensor is supported (i.e., exists) on the Kindle Fire. This, along with the physical evidence of the device itself, should be enough to demonstrate a non-functioning light sensor, shouldn't it? https://developer.amazon.com/help/faq.html#KindleFire

S. Neuman (talk) 15:33, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

2nd Generation Kindle Fire information is mostly missing
There was a 2nd generation Kindle Fire that's not a Fire HD, which is mentioned but details and differentiation is lacking. Suggesting a sub-section specifically for the 2nd generation. 67.167.106.3 (talk) 10:01, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Google Play Store???
What is Amazon doing with the fire?! I really do like everything about it: the kindle store and the app store...but the google play store is not accessible on the 1st gen the 2nd gen or the hd fire! Amazon needs to add it or their kindle fire sales might plummet.--Isanyonethere10 (talk) 05:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

"This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject." That said... Amazon want you to purchase apps through THEIR store, not Google's. They make no money if you buy a game or app from Google, their business plan appears to be sell the hardware relatively cheaply, and instead make the money from your media/app purchases. Rooting/installing Google Play/flashing ROMs is relatively easy, so it isn't the end of the world. AntiSceptic (talk) 09:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Kindle Fire / HD / HDX
I'm proposing we merge the Kindle Fire, Kindle Fire HD, and Kindle Fire HDX articles together. All three of these are essentially part of the Kindle Fire family. The current articles erroneously say the HD is the second generation, and HDX is the third generation; the reality is that it is not this simple. Amazon provides an easy to understand comparison here: https://developer.amazon.com/sdk/fire/specifications.html. Mangoman88 (talk) 22:47, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Amazon calls it the HDX the 3rd Gen and the HD 2nd Gen. Also, combining all the Kindle Fire on one page will make it very long, and another reason is iPad has separate pages for each generation. Also, see Talk:Kindle_Fire_HD for further disagreement.Frmorrison (talk) 18:09, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Valuation of a Kindle Fire, Generation 1, with dead battery
I would like to return our Kindle Fire, since we just upgraded. According to your help desk, I can apply for a gift card and you will be free to rehab the tablet and re-sell it. Can you give me an approximate idea of what dollar amount I can expect on any rebate? I don't see a valuation in the descriptions. Thanks. Jan T≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.190.189 (talk) 20:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You can mail your Kindle Fire to sell it to Amazon for store credit, however Wikipedia is not going to show this information on the main article. Contact Amazon customer support if you have trouble finding out how to do this. Frmorrison (talk) 20:36, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Kindle Fire and Fire Tablet Seperation
I recommend that the Kindle Fire and Fire Tablet ($50) should be two separate pages due to these facts:
 * Two different Generations (1st Gen --> 5th Gen.... Really? Is it the same?)
 * Different Specs (Like I said, two different tablets)
 * Name Differences (They are considered two different Tablets on Amazon.com)

If you agree, I will happily create the new page. AwlsomeAlex (talk) 02:30, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

kindle
I have a kindle thinking of upgrading. Can I transfer my purchased books to the new kindle? if so how — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daval123 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * WP talk pages are not forums for discussing the topic, but for discussing improvements to the articles. Amazon has a web page for such questions here. That said, :) If you register your new Kindle to the same account as your old Kindle, you will have access to all the books you purchased on that account. Any books or files you added from outside Amazon will have to be added manually through your computer. If you have any other questions about that, please ask on Amazon dot Com. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:07, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hey, I love these things.
Hello, again. I love these tablets, they have up to 12 hours of battery, and unbreakable gorilla glass touch screens. And you can get cases, and colored ones too, and the 7 is only 50$ you can also get the 6 7 8 8.9 10, and their all great, so I recommend these to everybody, instead of getting the 800$ super breaking iPad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Super Word (talk • contribs) 18:17, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Easter egg!
Guess what I just discovered? If you repeatedly click the device serial number in settings on the HD 6 version, it says "You are 3 steps away from being a developer", and counts down to 1 step away! Then, a "developer options" section appears in the settings! The section stays there even if you close the program, and if you try again, it says "No need, you are already a developer." Thanks, CrazyMinecart88 14:48, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Not really specific to this device but pretty much all Android-based devices. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 21 January 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) samee  converse  20:08, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Kindle Fire → Amazon Fire tablet – The first sentence in the article says that the Kindle Fire is the former name. In fact, Amazon used the old name for the first 2 generations of their tablet. They dropped that name and called their third generation tablet the Fire HD. There is also an article called Fire Tablet that is unrelated to the Amazon tablet. I am not sure whether the current title is OK or not because there is already a hatnote linking it to the Amazon tablet. Mstrojny (talk) 00:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Rreagan007 (talk) 19:40, 21 January 2019 (UTC)


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Requested move 8 December 2021

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Amazon Fire tablet → Amazon Fire (tablet) – I'm requesting the page be moved to the same title with tablet in parentheses since "tablet" isn't actually part of the name of the device but rather it appears to simply be a disambiguator. I would also support moving the page to just Amazon Fire or create Amazon Fire as a disambiguation page with links to Fire Phone and Amazon Fire TV and possibly anything else that a user might be trying to search for with "Amazon Fire" as the search term. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:53, 8 December 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Move to Amazon Fire, which has been a primary redirect to this article since 2011. The existing hatnotes will take care of the rest. 162 etc. (talk) 20:27, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Converting to standard Android paragraph, under Design: Software, needs editing update.
This paragraph could use an update; "It is possible to convert a Kindle Fire to a tablet running standard Android, with some loss of Amazon-related functionality, and lacking features such as Bluetooth, microphone, camera, and memory expansion." Since it is possible now to still have features and functionality with the work around apks that can be downloaded for free online. (Alphr.com article: How To Add Google Chrome To An Amazon Fire Tablet by: William Sattelberg March 3, 2023) I'm a Kindle/Amazon Fire user and I just think it's worth mentioning. Trying to stay objective though too is hard since the newest Fire is even worse than the past gens. Very frustrating when you like to read but need to stay updated on technology. That's why I went from an e reader to the Fire. I'm babbling too much, so I'll just leave it to those of you out there that do this editing stuff more than I have. Thanks. Emalthia (talk) 03:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)