Talk:Amber Lee Ettinger

Picture
Should we find a picture that maybe doesn't show her nipples? I'm not sure everyone that goes to this page wants to see boobies.
 * I actually have tried multiple times to replace the image. But User:ALENBA keeps on replacing it with the boob picture. Perhaps we should get the page protected.CoolKid1993 21:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I had User:ALENBA warned by Wikipedia. I was told to report him again to WP:AIV if he does it again, that way he can be blocked from editing.CoolKid1993 02:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * User:ALENBA has been banned from editing indefinitely.CoolKid1993 00:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems clear to me that if the video had been made with the visual image of the current picture, then the wikipedia page would not exist at all, because no one would have heard of "Obama Girl".

The person in the video wears very little clothes and undulates like a stripper. That is why it became a phenomenon. Note that her previous career was "Miss Hawaiian Tropic", "Howard Stern", and Hooters, all three of which are based on - to use your word - showing her boobies.

The current picture is equivalent to having Marilyn Monroe in a burka.

There is clearly some sort of manipulation going on, but that is 24 hours a day in the Political Media and in Web 2.0 as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.49.139 (talk) 19:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Requested merger because:
 * 1) Overlap is tremendous. Most people will search "Obama girl" and want both the video and the actress info.
 * 2) Text is an admitted stub in actress article and unlikely to be expanded.
 * 3) Virtually no one is searching for the exact capitalization and punctuation I Got a Crush... on Obama. If they're searching by video name, they have to hit that exactly, or get one of a dozen redirects.
 * 4) There are numerous double redirects, indicating general need for cleanup.
 * 5) There may be a case for notability of both the video and the actress, but neither is notable without the other. John J. Bulten (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support merge. There's no reason to keep two articles on this topic.  Let's just set up the "I've got a Crush" page as a redirect to Ettinger's article. --Elonka 16:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge, certainly in this direction. The video and the song is what became famous during the campaign; it needs to have its own article.    That article name is a red herring, as it can be found via redirects.  The double redirects are a red herring, as they can be fixed.  Whether Ettinger deserves an article, I'm less sure about.  Wasted Time R (talk) 23:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you support a merge from the Ettinger article to the "I've got a Crush" article? --Elonka 23:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea to me. It seems like the video is more notable than the person.  Not that that says much. :-)  p.s. Why does every "viral" video on the Internet seem so important to WP editors? I have noticed this before. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's because many Wikipedia editors are reluctant to actually visit a library and read "hardcopy" sources. Which means, unfortunately, that if they want to add information to Wikipedia, they focus on what's easily accessible via the internet and television.  If it crosses their field of vision, they want to add it to the 'pedia.  :/ --Elonka 17:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge, she may go on to do something later also this video and Amber Lee Ettinger are two different things. Now if it was a Obama girl wiki page and a Amber Lee Ettinger page thats different but the "I've got a crush" page is about the video. Gang14 08:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - This person is the primary subject of multiple independent sources (with the Obama video being secondary) and this person has notability outside the Obama video (Miss NYC, etc.) --Oakshade (talk) 22:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No good reason to merge. Ichormosquito (talk) 05:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Support a merge (presumably with the article I Got a Crush... on Obama). I don't see any evidence here that Amber Lee Ettinger is notable in her own right; her only notability is as a result of the 'Obama girl' videos. Terraxos (talk) 02:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Obama Girl didn't vote
Should these be included in the article? What do you guys think? TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC) http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/obama-girl-didnt-vote/ http://www.switched.com/2008/02/07/obama-girl-didnt-vote-for-obama/ http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/obama_girl_didnt_vote.html

Birthdate
Can we get a confirmation on her birthdate? According to this New York Times article dated February 6, 2008 she is 26. What is the source for the current birthdate? Dforest (talk) 23:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity
What is she? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.209.139 (talk) 09:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

--hot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.231.180 (talk) 17:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you two anonymous have a point. The name Ettinger sounds jewish but according to some sources on the internet she is not. And so this leaves this question open for anyone who have better information. --Oren neu dag (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ettinger ist not a Jewish name, it's a German one, possibly derived from the Swiss minicipality Ettingen - notwithstanding several persons of German-Jewish persons bearing this name. --KnightMove (talk) 10:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

She's Irish, Swedish, Italian, and German (Source: ABC News)  76.15.87.131 (talk) 09:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks pretty 'exotic' for someone of primarily northern european descent.69.248.252.20 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 09:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC).
 * I think the "exotic" aspect (tan skin, dark brown hair) is her Italian side which would probably be Southern Italian (Calabrese, Napoli, Sicilian). I know a lot of 3rd Generation Italian-Americans who are sometimes mistaken for Latino/a because of their dark features. It's also fair to assume that she may have native American ancestry somewhere down the line from her family going back few generations.--71.189.225.207 (talk) 22:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

To Obama Supporters. You Can Support Obama, But You Cannot Hype the Page
My source did say that she was well enough to attend a fundraiser party, while she also said she was too sick to vote for Obama when the press asked her during this party why she didn't vote for Obama. WIKIPEDIA IS NEUTRAL.Kevin j (talk) 17:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Voting
Before Kevin j continues edit warring on this article could he discuss the edit and answer the following;


 * "and told the press she was sick" - the cite talks of a personal conversation between the reporter and the subject. Where is "the press" (a plural) mentioned?
 * "got stranded in New York" - where is it mentioned that she "got stranded"?

There are also the following problems with your edit, I would appreciate your opinion of the following criticisms;


 * "Despite the large success of her viral Web tribute to Obama" - this is a leading statement, not neutral. You are combining two separate events and suggesting that one should have followed the other.  That is your POV.
 * "However, while she was telling the press this on Super Tuesday" - another leading statement. You are connecting two events and implying there is something amiss.  That is your POV.
 * "she was also seen interviewing voters across New York City as well." - You do not need to emphasise this with "also" and "as well".  The "as well" is redundant.


 * Personally, I don't understand why her voting or not voting in the New Jersey primary after the nomination has been all but wrapped up is even newsworthy, let alone encyclopedia-worthy. She's a model and aspiring actress, not a political activist.  Does her failure to vote somehow undermine her credibility as a model and actress? It's a complete non-issue.  I vote for removing that paragraph from the article altogether. Kevin's comments above suggest that his additions to the article are motivated by his political opposition to Obama, which is pretty bizarre.  He seems to be confusing the actress who plays Obama Girl with Obama.  Capedia (talk) 09:46, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I'm yanking it. Before anybody re-adds it, I hope they will first come to this Talk page and explain why it is noteworthy that the actress who plays Obama Girl voted in only one state primary, and whether he is interested in the voting habits of the actors who provide the voices for Lil' Bush or participate in political sketches on Saturday Night Live. Capedia (talk) 20:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This crap has been re-added by anonymous users with IP addresses 71.142.218.165, 70.187.228.198, and 69.205.50.105. I'm yanking it again.  Again, I implore anybody who would add this information to come to this Talk page and justify its inclusion, with consideration of the discussion above. Capedia (talk) 04:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Obama Girl was used to drum up support for Obama early on in the campaign...albeit in a slightly silly kind of way, but she was still part of the early groundswell of support, and contributed to the senator's notoriety while he was still a political unknown. I dare say how she voted is notable in wikipedia. Mind, the reference to her not voting was initially included in the article as an interesting factoid, not an attack. How it's any more or less notable than Ettinger's appearance on Onion News, in deodorant commercials or even with Mike Gravel on barelypolitical is beyond me. SchutteGod (talk) 17:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * n/m. It now appears she opted to vote in Pennsylvania instead of her usual voting site in NJ, so the item about her not voting is no longer relevant. SchutteGod (talk) 15:34, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe she "was used to drum up support for Obama," but that doesn't mean that her participation in the video was in any way done for the sake of Obama's candidacy. It was done for fun and personal exposure (and maybe monetary compensation).  In interviews shortly after the video was released, she said she would "probably" vote for Obama. It was only later that she said she had decided definitely to vote for Obama. Like I said before, it's analogous to SNL. Popular SNL skits may be used to support or belittle candidates, but it has nothing to do with the voting habits of the actors who appear in the skits. Capedia (talk) 16:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

YouTube video with Mike Gravel
A YouTube video was added May 7, 2008 with Obama Girl and presidential candidate, Mike Gravel called Mike Gravel Lobbies for the Obama Girl Vote. Should that be added to the article? EPM (talk) 19:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's notable. 65.41.92.123 (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

citation needed
I added the following to the article:
 * It was her appearance on Howard TV that brought her to the attention of Leah Kaufman and Ben Relles, who then contacted her about appearing in "I Got a Crush... on Obama."

I remember her saying this in a television interview, but couldn't find a reliable source online. I hope somebody can come up with a good citation for this fact. Capedia (talk) 22:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Separate article for character?
Obama Girl redirects to this page, but O.G. is a character, while Amber Lee Ettinger is a person. I think 'twould make more sense for Obama Girl (the character) to be its own page, and I've Got a Crush... on Obama be merged into that new page. The new article could be about the character and all of her appearances, not just a single video. Fishal (talk) 20:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe that would be a relevant point if she were famous for anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.184.124 (talk) 05:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There are already two articles. I'm proposing essentially a move.  Fishal (talk) 21:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Image
We may have an edit war brewing. An anonymous user at 79.80.39.187 put a very risqué (maybe even NSFW) image in the article. I believe it was inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. I replaced it with something more appropriate. An anonymous user at 82.127.52.21 replaced the safe image with the risqué one. I put the safe image back. I don't blame the anonymous user for liking the risqué image -- it's pretty hot -- I just don't think it's appropriate for this use. Capedia (talk) 03:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I was actually at W when I saw it, and if I hadn't been alone it would definitely have been NS. Wikipedia's not censored, but there's no reason to use deliberately risque images when tamer ones do just as well illustrating the topic.  Fishal (talk) 13:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The risque should be used whenever possible.  Especially when the subject is inherently sexual, like the "O. Girl" JeanLatore (talk) 19:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The anonymous user at 82.127.52.21 put the NSFW picture back yet again, and Catgut put the SFW picture back. This is now officially an edit war. I don't know the procedure for dealing with an edit war. What are we supposed to do? Capedia (talk) 22:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Guess the thing is settled for now. Concerning the image I'd say that the current one provides the necessary visual information about the subject, i. e. what she looks like. The other image showed less of her face as it was partially covered by her hair, therefore focusing on her body. Thus I considered it less useful. The article is about Ettinger, not about the female body in general (that's a subject already covered by other articles), and not about Ettinger wearing a bikini. Although Ettinger, who is an actress and model, may pose wearing a bikini for professional reasons, e. g. if she gets hired for that, this certainly is not the reason why we have an article about her. Her fame as the Obama Girl is also not connected to wearing a bikini. Finally, I'd like to cite from WP:BLP, a Wikipedia policy: "Wikipedia aims to be a reputable encyclopedia, not a tabloid." --Catgut (talk) 20:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Birthday
Her bday was confirmed on a public chat that took place on barelypolitical.com on July 29,2008.
 * That does not remove the need for a cite.-- Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Are any of these references considered reliable?
 * http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/stars/amber-lee-ettinger/
 * http://celebrity.rightpundits.com/?p=1188
 * http://amberleeettinger.fansiter.com/
 * http://www.adelineandhazel.com/category/absurd-hollywood/amber-lee-ettinger/
 * Capedia (talk) 20:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin parody vs. show with Ralph Nader
The REAL Sarah Palin outnumbers the Youtube hits of all the shows by magnitudes - so can the latter be relevant in contrast to the former? --KnightMove (talk) 10:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Participation in C&C RA3 marketing campaign
Is it significant enough to be included here?
 * I would say no because I was just a minor job, equal in importance to any of her modeling jobs, does not represents how or why is famous, and is not a new aspect of her career or life.--Crab182 (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Religion
Hello ,in which Christian denomination is Amber Lee Ettinger? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.6.180.48 (talk) 05:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Why should that matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.146.160.51 (talk) 10:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Interview on Hannity
Recently she appeared on Fox News' Hannity and gave an interview with Sean Hannity. In the interview, she indicated that her 'Crush on Obama' single was done as a SNL-type joke, and that she received no recognition from the Obama campaign or (since) from the White House. She indicated that she wasn't much involved in politics but has since become disenchanted with the new Administration's policies.

Perhaps this information could be mentioned? --208.177.140.5 (talk) 17:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

vandalism
Birth name lol cmon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.193.48.72 (talk) 15:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. In the future, you are welcome fix these sorts of things yourself...wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. DMacks (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

What is she doing today?
Since this is an election year, and "her man" is running again, it would be great if there was an update on the status of her crush on Obama. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.224.110 (talk) 13:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)