Talk:Amber Lynn/Archive 1

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Abebenjoe 00:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

birth name and sources
I removed the birth name again as it's standard practice with porn star articles to not have a legal/birth name unless we can cite a reliable source. It's potentially contentious and libelous. As far as the references needed tag goes, why should I put in a number of "citation needed" tags when one at the top of the article will do. Throughout the entire bio section of the article there is only one source for anything. There were 20 some edits yesterday from an anon IP without a single source for any of it listed in either the article or the edit history. I don't see why the article should be littered with cite needed tags. Dismas |(talk) 21:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That anon IP is the subject of the article, and I've been in contact with her about this article. That's her real birth name, we're working on sources - but the best source of all is her birth certificate.  And since there are certainly sources in the srticle, the tag is incorrect.  I'd suggest discussing this before reverting again.  I'm working on the article with Amber per WP:BLP.  Dreadstar  †  21:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I should add that I've been in touch with the permissions folks at the Wikimedia Foundation about the subject of this article, and have full permission on file in their records for the image being used in the article. I'm working with the same level of awareness on this entire article, paying special attention to WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, WP:NOR and WP:V.  So no worries on any of that.  Dreadstar  †  22:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You could have said that up front and we would have avoided all of this. Dismas |(talk) 23:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I realize you're in the process of adding info to the article, but I do wish you'd find better sources for the name that what you have already (and yes, I know you're in touch with her). In my opinion, tv.com is scarce better than IMDB's bio page, and the Orange County birth certificate link smells too much like WP:OR. Tabercil (talk) 04:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Her birth certificate and name change documentation may be a primary source, but it certainly isn't WP:NOR. Dreadstar  †  05:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, better than the birth certificate, name change paperwork, the subject herself, and TV.COM, how's the Washington Post? Now it's undeniably verifiable in a WP:RS.  Dreadstar  †  05:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Better... more precise details about when the article appeared in the Post would be useful. Believe me, I will be double-checking this reference. Tabercil (talk) 12:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I expected nothing less of you Tabercil, WP:AGF notwithstanding. I enjoy being..."challenged" in this manner, believe me. Dreadstar  †  18:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am assuming good faith on your part... it's just somewhat unusual for a porn star to be adding their real name to the article. More often than not, they're trying to pull it off - see Brandy Alexandre and Sasha Grey for two (successful) examples I can name off the top. Tabercil (talk) 20:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, now I understand! My familiarity with this subject is rather limited, so I wasn't aware of that situation.  That makes a lot more sense.  Thanks for clarifying!  Dreadstar  †  21:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, if you double-check the ref, it does have the exact date in it: . For some reason, it's not showing up, I'll work on that.  Dreadstar  †  18:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, apparently the "date" section is where the year goes, not the "year" section. Odd.  Or I need to study that template closer...;) Dreadstar  †  18:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP and OTRS ticket 2008013010015054
Apologies if this has already been addressed but the subject of this article has been in touch with OTRS. Most of the material in the article is disputed and is unsourced. I have therefore removed it per BLP. If good reliable sources can be found then the article can be reworked. Spartaz Humbug! 21:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... most curious as I was under the impression, based on the discussion above, that the subject of the article was supposedly in contact with User:Dreadstar, and Dreadstar was shaping the article to match the user's wishes and what the user was relating to us. Tabercil (talk) 21:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Its possibly crossed with the work with Dreadstar. There is/was a massive OTRS backlog and its taken a time to get to some of the older tickets. Even if we ignore the OTRS aspect this article was mostly original research and a BLP nightmare so removing unsourced statements is consistent with our core policies and guidelines. Spartaz Humbug! 22:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, its crossed. OTRS is no longer required so we can scratch that. This still needs lots of sources though... Spartaz Humbug! 23:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Someone mentioned this article over at the BLP board - I stubbed it, regardless of what's going on with OTRS, a stubbed source BLP article is better than a long unsourced BLP article. --Cameron Scott (talk) 21:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)