Talk:American Bar Association

Formation of the National Bar Association
I added back a modification of language related to the 1925 formation of the National Bar Association to put the whole discussion into perspective. See, although I am sure there are more scholarly sources for a citation. -- DS1953 talk 21:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Bricker Amendment
For some time I have been working on revisions to the Bricker Amendment article. I finally posted it and have a PR at Peer review/Bricker Amendment/archive1. I'd welcome comments. I know all those references may seem extravagant, but I'm hoping to get it as an FA and those voters want lots of footnotes. PedanticallySpeaking 16:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Citations for criticism
The citations provide no comparison between nominees, nor do they provide evidence for the ABA giving out different ratings for similarly qualified nominees based on political orientation. Rather, the first citation merely links to a blog post (by whoever) making the same unsourced, unreferenced claim as the the text in the ABA article. The second citation shows ratings for Reagan nominees next to ratings for Clinton nominees, with no comparison of nominee quality or objective standards (showing that each President's nominees received dissimilar ratings proves nothing). Therefore I am eliminating that portion of the criticism and replacing it with a citation-needed tag. Heforgotpoland 22:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I concur with your analysis. Wikipedia should use only high-quality published sources, not blogs.  See the citations at Lawyer (mostly my work) for a good example of a properly researched article.  --Coolcaesar 04:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have tried to improve the references. What else should be done? Rkevins82 15:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Citation four (federalist society) is still unacceptable. The claim made in the wiki article is that judges with similar resumes received dissimilar ratings, while the citation shows no such proof.  (Where is it shown that Guido Calabresi = Ralph Winters, or that Abner Mikva = James Buckley?)  Until that claim can be backed up, it's gotta go.  Heforgotpoland  1:17 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've added a citation that notes the way conservatives view the process, as the article is only noting the claim, not verifying or denying it. Rkevins82 03:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it is a good idea to add Walter E. Williams' two articles, Academic Mismatch I and Academic Mismatch II. Asteriks (talk) 23:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The reference to percentage of lawyers in the ABA should be removed. There is no citation, and, as a practical matter it is impossible to accurately make such a broad and sweeping claim. There simply are no metrics to capture the number of "lawyers" in the Americas let alone the United States. Similarly there are no metrics to capture the number of practicing lawyers versus non-practicing law school graduates. Further, ABA membership includes law school students. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.197.109.162 (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Oppose merge from Law Practice Magazine
I strongly oppose the merge from Law Practice Magazine into this article. The magazine is notable (reasons provided here and also here) and, as explained on List of missing journals, "While some of the journals [from the List of missing journals] are obscure, having articles on them would be invaluable. " (emphasis added) --Edcolins 19:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

ABA Journal startup
I started the articles for ABA Journal and its antecedent Annual Bulletin (Comparative Law Bureau). Maybe some of you will be interested in watchlisting them? (*Cough* Articles for deletion/Law Practice Magazine *Cough*) &mdash; The Little Blue Frog ( ribbit ) 00:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

ABA Backs Marriage Equality for Gays and Lesbians
This ABA Journal article should be addressed in the wiki-article: http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/aba_backs_marriage_equality_for_gays_and_lesbians http://www.abajournal.com/files/111.pdf Native94080 (talk) 05:15, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Question: history of law school accreditations?
This is for another article I'm working on: is there an accessible reference for the history of a (defunct) law school's accreditation?

It appears that the ABA web site only lists currently active schools. It seems to me there would be a need for the ability to see if a given lawyer's alma mater was accredited at the time he or she graduated from it.--NapoliRoma (talk) 17:12, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Try looking at the categories. I've seen schools listed which are out of business.  For example, New College of California School of Law was a non-ABA school.--S. Rich (talk) 22:49, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I may have phrased this poorly. I'd like to document when the O. W. Coburn School of Law was accredited, and whether or not, as some articles about it have said, it ever lost and then regained its accreditation during its brief existence.


 * Thus, I would like to see if there is a reliable source that documents the history of accreditation for a given school -- even one such as this that only existed for a few years in the 1980s. Thanks, NapoliRoma (talk) 23:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The ABA has suggested I can find past editions of their annual lists of accredited schools at any well-provisioned law library. So I think I'm good here, unless someone has a more clever idea. If you do, please post to my talk page, as I'm un-watching this one.--NapoliRoma (talk) 04:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

proposed link to the current legal controversies surrounding law schools
The current demurrer filed by defendant New York Law School provides an affirmative defense that it was following directives issued by the ABA. Since the ABA is considering changing accreditation standards for law schools by requiring accredited institutions to provide audited information regarding job placement and salary information, a link to the demurrer as a reference is appropriate.Berknyc81 (talk) 03:50, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The Points and Authorities cited in the motion to dismiss (demurrer} are tangential to this article and the ABA's activities in accrediting law schools. To include this as a reference is WP:SYNTH because it is advancing a position.  Indeed, two positions are being advanced -- that of the defendant in the court case and that of the editor.  Also recall that a demurrer simply says even if everything in a complaint is true, the complaint does not state a cause of action. (E.g., it simply says "so what?") Accordingly, a demurrer is a pleading and not a WP:RS. (A demurrer does not provide an affirmative defense -- affirmative defenses are those which are included in answers to complaints. They require facts to support them.)--S. Rich (talk) 05:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Concur with S. Rich on this issue in full. --Coolcaesar (talk) 06:20, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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"Mission" statement - removed
A topic's goals and activities should be described from an uninvolved and dispassionate point of view, based on independent 3rd-party sources. Uncriticially quoting its mission statement does not provide such encyclopedic information. Aside from the section's WP:NPOV issues, the article's further sections already provide a more meaningful overview about these details with specific factual information instead of vague self-adulating PR fluff. A "mission" overview is neither encyclopedic nor needed. GermanJoe (talk) 22:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Ankerwycke?
Why does Ankerwycke redirect here? Ankerwycke is a country house in England. 67.183.35.181 (talk) 20:31, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I left a message on the talk page of, who created the redirect. Hopefully they can answer your question. Marquardtika (talk) 13:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Ankerwycke is a imprint of the ABA's publishing program. --Shortride (talk) 14:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Why is there no mention of the ABA's history in the 20th century of not admitting Jewish lawyers?
See https://www.nytimes.com/1976/01/25/archives/unequal-justice-counselor-counsel-thyself.html 73.189.86.61 (talk) 05:40, 21 November 2021 (UTC).


 * In answer, because you had not yet appeared to cause this excellent article to be included. Allow me to ruminate and return to add it. Lindenfall (talk) 18:58, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

About the situatoon in New York with the court requirng former President Trump to post a bond for his indightment that seems so baeless because it has no real victims. Where does the ABA stand on this non-justice? Shouldn't the ABA do something amout this? The ethics by officers of the court in New York City are an embarasement to the most casual observer! 71.29.145.97 (talk) 11:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Beyond it being irrelevant to the non-admittance of Jewish lawyers to the ABA, tax evasion is decidedly not victimless, as the entire taxpayer base are victims of the one evading taxpayers and defrauded financial institutions.Wzrd1 (talk) 13:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)