Talk:American Eskimo Dog/Archive 1

More Info On The American
Another great site for information http://www.chekia.com/eskiehistory.html but would need to have permission to use it out of context. But a link to the site would be great for informative purposes. I know this person, she is a member of our parent club and is meticulous in her research.

Lynn McClure 21:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Lynn McClure

how do i show you guys the picture of my dog? HELP PLEASE!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.53.222.64 (talk) 22:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Anxiety
This was a very informative article, but I have good news for those of you with  "separation anxiety" i.e., tearing up the house. After coming home to what appeared to be a crime scene for 2 years, a friend suggested Clomicalm(clomipramine hydrochloride). My vet gave us the medication ASAP and in one day, Diamond stopped eating the dining room carpet. He has had no long term side effects from this drug given once a day for life(usually). At first his appetite lagged a bit. If you value your dog and your possessions, then there is a "cure". Diamond is now 8 years old. We were waiting to get more Clomicalm and he went w/o it for a few days. Now we see that he does not need it anymore. Even if we had to give it to him for life, it would have been well worth it. So many people get rid of their pets because of their destructive behavior when they are not home. If you are thinking of getting rid of your eskie becuse of this, please check with your vet about Clomicalm. It's a small price to pay for a happy, well trained dog. He never chewed up the furniture, clothes or trash can contents again. I understand that it may take a little longer to see the effects of this medication, but give it a try.

This is a great article. I have an Eskie and he is 11 years old. Be aware, if you plan on owning one they are very high maintainance. The vet called it "separation anxiety." He is just now NOT tearing up the house when I leave. I now have hardwood floors because he "ate" all the carpet in my house. He is a very gentle and loving dog but be aware not to spoil them as I did. Great and very informative article.

Wow, what a great article. I can think of nothing to add or take away. H2O 03:19, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Extremely late to give advice, but I do have advice on separation anxiety. Macheath (the dog with the "stained eyes" in the article) has no separation anxiety because my previous dog did.  I learned from that.  When I got Macheath, I made sure that, every time I leave (every time) I say one of two things: "I'm going to the store" or "I'm going to work."  I use the first when I plan to be gone a short time, the other when I plan to be gone a long time.  However, and here's the trick, when I leave for a long time, I make sure that I give her a treat as I head to the door, and I give her lavish, lavish praise as I go.  She has a mouth full of dog biscuit and ears full of praise as I go out the door.  She promptly lays down and goes to sleep, I'm told.  Make sure your dog sees your departure as a good thing, as a time of happiness, when she's hearing what a wonderful creature she is.  Oh, and distract her.  Also, be consistent.  Be very, very, very consistent.  Never alter your phrase, and never forget.  If a dog knows that you're coming back, she won't freak out as badly.  Geogre 22:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I also own one of these dogs and she is a great companion (in fact she is with me right now). H2O 03:21, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Well if you have a camera, one thing you could add is a better photo! The one we have isn't great quality.  There are example photos on User:Sannse/Dogs (full view) (image intensive page).  I'm not saying they are perfect ;) but they give an idea of the most informative pose. -- sannse (talk) 10:13, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * If I can get her cleaned up! One thing about white dogs, they do show the dirt, just like white carpet.  She'd love to play the fashion model, though. H2O 11:44, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Did you see the [[Media:Maltese 600.jpg|Maltese]]? Now there is a white dog! -- sannse (talk) 18:37, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I'd be afraid to touch that one for fear I might mess something up. Reminds me of the grooming jobs I see on sheep just before they're shown at the local fair. H2O 19:17, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

how about this photo?


 * Not bad. Is the photo yours or can you otherwise provide copyright info for it? Elf | Talk 19:12, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * The picture is mine, and it is copyright-free. --Joefutrelle 17:38, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Better than anything I have at this point. Mine won't cooperate.  Always tucks her tail when I am trying to take her photo.  Plus this one is a lot cleaner. H2O 17:55, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * I'd go ahead and use this one, thanks! Go to Special:Upload to upload an image to Wikipedia. Please include your clarification that it's yours & copyright-free on the image page. Elf | Talk 03:41, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Actually, I realize this is not the best picture, because Yeti has her hair trimmed for an operation, and Eskies are not generally trimmed. --Joefutrelle 03:00, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * hey people can you tell me how to show you the picture of my dog? because it is an awesome picture and i am a newbie at this stuff. PLEASE I NEED HELP !!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.52.48.143 (talk) 17:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The American Eskimo dog that was in the bottom photo Image:Macheath-dog.jpg , does it need to have it eye area cleaned? The photo doesn't appear to be representative of the AKA preferred appearance for the breed. I've replaced the photo, but am starting this discussion here in case someone disagrees with my assessment! I don't mean to seem callous in removing a photograph. Any comments would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Uris 23:27, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * It probably does need to be cleaned. In fact, that's a very good point for this breed so I readded the photo with an appropriate caption. I don't know whether we really need 2 photos of Eskies in the snow, though, especially uncropped like these are.  Hmm, could we crop them both down closer to the dog? The white-white one camo'd for the snow is kind of cool and the other one is just a nice photo of an Amer Eskimo, so maybe they could both stay.  Elf | Talk 00:09, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Elf... with your commentary I think it is definitely appropriate for the page. I agree with both of your thoughts about the snow and the cropping, so have cropped one of the two eskie-in-snow photos. The snow camouflaged pic is still available on the pics of dogs page. Uris 00:35, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, Macheath does fit breed standard, although she's not a show dog. However, with that particular shot, we have lens distortion and her holding her ears back.  When I put it on the article, it was the only picture we had.  I'm delighted with the replacements, but I have to defend her honor a little to tell you that she is a breed standard animal, albeit one who needs her eyes cleaned.  Geogre 23:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

It has been my understanding that American Eskimo Dog is a new American name for the same breed that is also called German Spitz elsewhere. I read that Americans changed the name during World War I because people didn't want 'German' dogs. It's also my understanding that they are related to the Samoyed breed. Can anyone confirm my recollections? --Derekian 19:40, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

American Eskimo Dogs are NOT related to Samoyeds. Eskies were bred in Germany as companion dogs. They did used to be called the German Spitz. Many people mistake them for miniature Samoyeds, but they are a completely different breed. StaraRune 27 September 2005

The other thing is that the breed has had a number of informal names. They are now separate from the German Spitz, but, because the AKC was so horribly late in recognizing the breed, everything about it has been varied. The breed has been recognizably a single breed since the 1910s, and it hasn't been shrunk nor enlarged, but I've heard them called "Spitz dogs," "German spitzes," "Feist dogs," "Fiesties," "Eskimo dogs," and, of course, the now accepted American Eskimo Dog. The other interesting thing is that they spread out across the US relatively quickly (compare fragile puppies like Pomeranians and Malteses), then waned in the 1970's. I'm hoping they continue to make a comeback, as they're just a great companion and a perfect apartment dog. Geogre 23:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm getting an American Eskimo mix (the shelter thinks that it is mixed with a Pomeranian and/or Chihuahua). He is blonde and white and his name is Scooby. Picture here. Not sure about copyright, but when I get him I can probably upload a picture I take. 24.6.242.113 16:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Eskies are wonderful animals. My own has been the best behaved, most model citizen I've ever known.  Beware, though, that both Pomeranian and Chihuahua are more demanding -- much more demanding.  Where Eskies have a tendency to be aloof and calm, Poms and Chihuahuas are both more aggressive and demanding.  Separation anxiety is likely to be an issue, as well.  Be sure to make every departure a celebration, as well as every return.  Tell the dog exactly the same thing, every time you leave, praise the animal, give a small treat, and leave.  Do not look like you're afraid/guilty.  Make it happy.  Use a radio on in your absence, too, if you can (in apartments, neighbors can get upset at this).  Spend as much time face to face, happy, as you can.  They're superb dogs and "word smart" or "trick smart."  Be sure to get the animal neutered at the proper time, of course.  Geogre 17:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Merging the German Spitz page? Please don't!
On the top of the German Spitz page, it says that that page might be merged with the AED page. This doesn't make sense- although AEDs have been exported as White German Spitz, the breeds *are* distinct. Even here in the US, the United Kennel Club recognizes AEDs and GS as distinct breeds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.64.13 (talk) 06:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree... DO NOT MERGE THESE TWO PAGES! The American Eskimo Dog may be a deriviate of the German Spitz but they are two distinct breeds and recognized as such within AKC!!!!

Lynn 17:14, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, AKC only recognizes the German Spitz within FSS (and as three varieties of the same breed- klein, mittel, gross, which could cause problem as they could then be interbred) but point taken! Mittelspitz (talk) 02:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Definitely, the two should not be merged. It would be like merging Golden and Labrador Retrievers (at best).  "German Spitz" is now such a heterogenous label that it's difficult to have an article there that can be in use in a global encyclopedia, but the AED is its own dog, with a consistent (more or less) standard.  Geogre (talk) 02:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

i agree DONT MERGE THEM!!!!!! thats like merging the wolf with the chihuahua except not so extreme. but still we dog owners have our pride and so do the dogs lets do both breeds a favor and let them be individual.On a different subject I’ve got the coolest picture of my dog I promise you’ll love it. But I’m a newbie at this type of thing and I have no idea how to show it to you guys. Somebody help me please!!!

It's ok. At this point, the merge notice has been removed (I regret the passive voice, but I haven't looked through the history; maybe I removed the notice), so it's not going to happen. I'm going to also change the assessment. If anyone looks at the descriptions the projects themselves use, this is by no means a "start class" article. It's referenced and with no substantial issues remaining, so that makes it a "B" class. If folks think that more work can be done, that's just "normal." It's not "start class." Geogre (talk) 03:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys how do i show you the picture of my dog? i need help! PLEASE!!! --Coaster1983 (talk) 02:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Contradictory?
There is a posted tag about a contradiction between the American Eskimo and the Japanese Spitz articles. There is no contradiction, they are different breeds with the same or similar ancestry. At some point in the past they may have been crossbred, but there are no clear records of such an event and and changes to either breed have not been noted. Different breeds cannot be lumped together just because they have similar ancestry.--Hafwyn (talk) 17:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The issue was raised by GSchjetne on 11 October 2008 with this edit: Addition of contradict tag. As you will no doubt see, the text, which, last October made an unreferenced remark concerning the AED and Japanese Spitz has changed. The text is now referenced, and also no longer makes any reference whatsoever to the Japanese Spitz. To my mind, the circumstances of the originally raised objection no longer prevails and I have removed the tag; it is no longer applicable. It would be pleasant if editors inclined to tagging would check their confetti from time to time and remove their handiwork when the condition has been addressed, confirming for the correcting editor that the change has resolved the issue, but perhaps I am asking too much. Some editors are very, very busy, I am told, too busy to actually edit the encyclopaedia, and are reduced to tagging so that others with loads of time on their hands can do the work. Take care. Gosgood (talk) 00:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Significant removal per WP:NOT
I just removed a lot of information from the Temperment and Grooming sections. Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a how-to manual or instruction guide--this article should not read like a list of recommendations for American Eskimo Dog owners or potential owners. It should include encyclopedic level information. No statements should be directed to the reader ("you"), all phrasing should be neutral (especially no use of ALL CAPS), and should be sourced. That last part is important--I marked both the Grooming and Treatment sections as unsourced. Per WP:V, we need reliable sources (journals, official publications, etc.)--not fan or other self-published information. Please add such citations to that section, or it will need to be removed. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Today, I added "unreferenced section" tags to the Temperment and Grooming sections, having forgotten that I already did that more than a week ago. I don't know why they were removed--the IP editor who removed them gave no explanation.  Per WP:V, all information in Wikipedia that can be challenged must be sourced.  I'm going to give those sections just another day or two, then, if there's no sources, I'm deleting them per policy.  Qwyrxian (talk) 02:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The tag was removed again. Since the section still has not been sourced, I have gone ahead and removed it from the article.  Per WP:V, all information that can be challenged must be sourced.  If anyone has reliable sources (see WP:RS for more details), feel free to re-add with citations. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:46, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Nordicness and POV
The name of the breed gives the impression that the American Eskimo Dog is a near relative to the Canadian Eskimo Dog. The text of some parts of this article strengthens the impression, e.g. by saying it is a "Nordic-type" (what is that?) dog and "Spitz type dogs developed in Arctic and northern areas of the world, with the larger types being used as sled dogs" (and then going on to talk about the modern American Eskimo).

I think the text should be reworked not to give this false impression, but to make the difference clear from the beginning.

The introduction is problematic also otherwise. It has no references, but seems to be written using either an official breed description or some book about the breed. Those are not neutral, which results in wordings like "well-balanced model of the working type Spitz dog", "The body is very well proportioned" and "The backs of the forelegs are nicely feathered." The problem continues in the History section: "resemble wolves and absolutely adore rain, snow or shine", "do well in any climate".

Such expressions are hardly in line with neutral point of view and the manual of style.

--LPfi (talk) 11:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I partially restored the lead section from a November 24,2007 revision that clearly shows this breed, contrary to its current name, originated in Germany and was not a sled dog. I did not save any text from the previous lead section since I discovered it was a copyright violation of the American Eskimo Dog breed standard page on both the American and the United Kennel Club websites.


 * The current lead section still needs a short physical description of the breed and a short description of the health risks for the breed. These will be added when I restore the appearance section and expand the health section.


 * I am in agreement that the first paragraph of history section needs to be rewritten. I think that the history section only should go back to the breed's origins in 18th or 19th century Germany.  I also feel that some of the POV statements seem randomly thrown into the paragraph and should be removed.Coaster1983 (talk) 01:32, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I have removed the POV statements from the first paragraph in the History section.Coaster1983 (talk) 03:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Much better now. --LPfi (talk) 16:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

“The Morning Walk” painting by Thomas Gainsborough
This painting should be removed from the page or the caption should be changed. The dog in the painting is not an "Eskie." The dogs is only identified as a Spitz type, in the available literature. Further to this, there are no UK Kennel Club records of "American Eskimo Dogs" being bred, shown or imported into the UK in the 1700s.


 * English painter Thomas Gainsborough (1727-1788) painted Mr. and Mrs. William Hallet. The painting is entitled “The Morning Walk”. Mr. and Mrs. Hallet are accompanied by their White Spitz/Eskie).

The dog is most likely a Volpino Italiano or the large type of Pomeranian, which were both in existence and available in England, at the time of the painting. http://www.pomeranianproject.com/histfaq.html (contains verified historical information on the breed & cites multiple references) http://www.pomeranianproject.com/volpino.html

A more factually correct caption should read:
 * English painter Thomas Gainsborough (1727-1788) painted Mr. and Mrs. William Hallet. The painting is entitled “The Morning Walk”. Mr. and Mrs. Hallet are accompanied by their White Spitz, a breed which is amongst the ancestors of the American Eskimo dog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.119.111 (talk) 08:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Freedom Fries
One small group renaming french fries isn't similar to renaming the dog species. I don't see the relevance of that flawed comparison anyway. 138.67.185.152 (talk) 15:29, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Common Sense Training for an Eskie section
So I'm new to the whole article discussion/editing concept on Wikipedia but I'm reading this section and feel it is poorly written and not presented properly for an Encyclopedia article. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.131.79 (talk) 06:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC) \
 * I removed the section since it gives advice on training and caring for Ekies.Coaster1983 (talk) 00:20, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

The information on being a pack leader is just some outmoded dog training BS. Too many people watch reality TV shows, actual vet behaviorists state over and over that being the alpha dog, the family being a pack, all that is complete and utter nonsense. It is not referenced and has no place here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.80.171.17 (talk) 09:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The pack-leader and dominance BS was added back in by someone and I removed it again. I also added the AKC and UKC standards for temperament, as all that was there was the bad training advice and anecdotal sounding statements about why they make good dogs to have around children.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opendestiny (talk • contribs) 18:56, 30 December 2015 (UTC)