Talk:American Horror Story/Archive 1

Title Card
I found a source for the title card that validates the title card I used is "official" title card http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/arts-entertainment-living/tuned-in-journal/29651-press-tour-first-look-at-fxs-american-horror-story. Please discuss before deleting or undoing this contribution. Also if you believe you found an "official" title card, a good nature approach would have been to take the effort to upload image and insert. I have not found anything else that is being called Official title card with references. 0pen$0urce (talk) 20:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The official opening credits were revealed and that image is not used. The article doesn't say that it is "official". It shows the font that the critics apparently loved. Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 18:33, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Appreciate your response and not deleting the image again, Well the show premiers in a week for the public so what they are using in the preview may not be final. I have found a second reference and when I Google title card this image does come up as tagged as title card. Either way this image is being provided with sources at this time. I would say unless FX release something that says "official Title Card" it wouldn't hurt to let this one hold until the premier in less than a week. I will continue to try to find an Official title card, but so far I am convinced this is the one we'll will see during the Broadcast premiere.0pen$0urce (talk) 21:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI the 'font that the critics apparently loved' is Rennie Mackintosh, maybe someone can mention that in the page assuming the show doesn't die a quick (and horrible) death. Another notable user of Rennie Mackintosh is the City of Berkeley. Jef (talk) 03:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Fixed, got a screen capture from the show.0pen$0urce (talk) 17:37, 7 October 2011 (UTC) Edit War concerns, Let Me Eat Cake please review 3 revert rule. You have removed my title card card 3 times. First off look at other show pages, instead on unlinking and adding your own add the image to existing link, this allows community input. Again I think your comment of dreadful is border line attacking adn I ask you tone it down a little. You are appearing to take too much ownership of this page and could be stiffing other contributors.--0pen$0urce (talk) 06:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I've now taken it down twice. Mine is the official title card. Right size, and clearer. Yours is huge and not clear. Don't know what your problem with mine us but stop it! Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 17:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC) I got that screen capture myself from hulu, again clearer is opinionated statement like dreadful. I don't know what your problem is and why you feel in your opinion that your title card is more appropriate. You're boderline attacking and you need to exercise better civility. No reason to take this page so serious or other editors contributions.--0pen$0urce (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Left-Handedness
Is there a page for handedness of TV characters? I don't know about Dylan McDermott in real life, but his character jacks off southpaw. And jogs really slowly for someone in his apparently excellent physical condition (you're welcome, ladies). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.23 (talk) 06:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's Wiki for LH TV/Movie Characters or Actors. That would be a feat to research! (this was written by a Leftie!) —   Wylie  pedia  04:40, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's most likely he was jogging slowly to allow the camera to follow his character without having to expand the filming area too far; this being a television show. The first scene mentioned was most likely shot "left handed," to allow the character doing the "action" to be in the frame, with the window, and the man outside, from the perspective of the viewing audience. This frequent habit of staging shots for effect and proper positioning in theater and film will make it difficult to judge who is the true lefty and who is just being directed to be so at that moment. ;0) --  O liver  T wisted (Talk) (Stuff)  23:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

"The first season scored 60 out of 100 on Metacritic"
This should be "first episode" and not "first season", because the series premiered yesterday, so I doubt the critics have watched the whole season, yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.55.238 (talk) 17:52, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been fixed but I think Metacritic and other critics get a block of shows at a time. If you read some articles about the first episode, they read like they are critiquing more than just the pilots. —  Wylie  pedia  04:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Page color
I know not every TV show article has a particular color but it seems that American Horror Story, like The Simpsons has a color to represent the series. Promotional images, website, plus the fact that it's a horror series are examples. Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 16:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "You've got red on you." - Shaun of the Dead (2004).  Let Me Eat Cake, colors do make the sites pop better.  Breaks up the monotony. I've reviewed a lot of new sites and suggested colors/images.

Moiras (Conroy & Breckinridge)
Why have they been taken down from the Main Cast listing here? Moira as a character has been in almost every episode so far (young or old). And both ladies pictures are included in the cast list on the FX website. I think they should be returned to the list. —  Wylie pedia  11:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've given my reasons. They aren't part of the main cast. Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Frances Conroy isn't billed as a contract cast member in the opening, so therefore she wouldn't be listed as a starring role. HorrorFan121 (talk) 21:02, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right. I just watched the Pilot again.  I thought they may have just extended the list into the show, but the two are listed as Guest Stars. Maybe it's because they both are on at different times? I'll stand down, but leave this Note up in case the next person brings up the issue. Thanks for replying.  —  Wylie  pedia  04:26, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Series Overview Section...
...should be just that — a series overview. Please help me move the lengthy season one plot to here. What happens if we end up with FIVE seasons and we have 3 paragraphs per season in the Series article? That would be a very long page! Thanks. —  Wylie pedia  16:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Promotion for the second season has begun and casting will begin soonso I've changed it back. 95.83.219.163 (talk) 16:16, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but this is an article about the series, not every season. —  Wylie pedia  00:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Season 2 Cast List
I think half of the ones listed will be Guest stars and not Mains, but, until we know further details, we'll leave it as is. —  Wylie pedia  18:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, the casting section should only include the casting of main characters, not guest stars. When we know who are main, we'll remove them. Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It appears Johnny0929 went ahead and removed the "guests/recurring" for Season 2 without coming here first. Glad we have a talkpage to discuss such things! —  Wylie  pedia  00:07, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Frances Conroy
you guys know she's returning right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.227.81.3 (talk) 14:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I added it here on 9/11. —  Wylie pedia  00:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Merger Proposal
It's about high time to Merge the season cast sections with there somewhat hidden respective season articles like other TV show articles.--0pen$0urce (talk) 16:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Disagree. The "respective" articles have Casting sections. This show is an anthology series and requires additional paragraphing. They should be trimmed down, not merged nor removed. And what main TV series' articles do you read that doesn't have a Casting section??? —  Wylie pedia  19:05, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * ALL CAPS R IS FUN. Anyway just an article and a suggestion should read up on civility.0pen$0urce (talk) 16:42, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Bolded instead. Howzat? And how was I not being civil? —  Wylie pedia  02:48, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I'd vote for trimming the main article down to an "overview" of essential casting information and then providing more "in depth" casting details on the respective season one and season two articles.  As the proposal mentions, it's basically become an anthology(ish) type series wherein each season is essentially a stand-alone "mini-series" (for lack of a better description), so a detailed "casting" history regarding season one is essentially irrelevant to the casting of season two, (and vice-versa).  The show is extremely popular, and (if the GA rating is legit) I'm too scared of ruffling feathers to go ahead and do it myself, but I'd agree with a trim down of the main page (for anyone who has the guts to do it). --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 05:07, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm all for any trimming on any page, as long as context is not harmed, but deleting and/or removing sections because the season articles have the info is not fashionable. This is the main series page. —  Wylie pedia  20:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wouldn't support removing all of the "casting" information altogether. But I think we can all acknowledge this "series" differs from most in that each season is essentially a separate series of its own.  Yes, it's the same creators and some of the same actors, but the "American Horror Story" banner has basically become akin to "Walt Disney's..." or "National Lampoon's..."  It's simply a marquee device used to link two otherwise completely unrelated miniseries together in the minds of the public.  Obviously this wasn't known by editors when this page was created, but we know it now, so pointing to the MOS of articles about other series that pick up with the same characters, setting, storyline, etc, season after season doesn't really apply the same way here.  Over time, if/when there is a third season, fourth season, etc, this page will become exhaustive and unwieldy, so it might be a good idea to begin migrating some of the season specific details to the respective pages now, as the work of performing such a task will only become more difficult as time goes by.  Again, I have several other pages I'm working on right now, so I'm not looking to piss people off here by trying to make major edits to this page myself, but I think it might be a good idea if some of the contributors who got this article to a GA rating in the first place took another look at it with fresh eyes (not just the "casting" section, but the entire article), knowing what we know now.  In fact, I'm not even really comfortable with describing "American Horror Story" as a "series" with "seasons" anymore.  This is a unique type of of situation, with not a lot of previous examples, so I don't know if "anthology series" is the right term (since it's usually used to describe a show with a different storyline for each episode) or if "franchise" is the right word (since that's usually used to describe a series of films that pick up with the same characters, continuing one storyline, etc).  I don't have all the answers to these questions, but I do feel like there are quite a few issues such as these that really need to be discussed and addressed. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 00:36, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the recurring cast members parts just do not belong. Period. Those can go in the season article. I encourage everyone to look at any TV show main series article (that have had multiple seasons) to see how this is done. As previously stated, this page already is "exhaustive and unwieldy." What happened was the second season's article had not been created and everything got put in here. We simply need to whack the weeds in this section. I am studying how to do this, as I'm sure "people" won't might a lighter, breezier page as stated in WP:SPLIT. —  Wylie pedia  20:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * (UPDATE: Removed the recurring/guest cast from Casting: Season 2. Does that look better?  Wylie pedia  20:45, 19 October 2012 (UTC))
 * It's a start. I see some details in the Season 1 Casting section that could be moved as well, but as I previously stated, it's not just the casting section, but really the entire article.  As it is now, it appears at least 75%–80% of the article is about Season 1.  I realize part of this is due to the fact that Season 2 just premiered and, as the series airs, there will most likely be a slew of new interviews/articles with/about the second season cast/characters, etc, but I think a lot of the conetent on this page really needs to be looked at through the new prism of "How relevant is this to someone who didn't watch the first season?" and/or "How relevant will this be this time next year when 90% of the people arriving at this page are looking for information about a third season", etc.  If this were like 99.9% of television series and the second season was continuing with the story of the Harmon house, the majority of the same characters, etc, then a lot of the background detail about the first season would be relevant, however, as the second season is essentially a completely separate series, a lot of the details (as interesting as they may be) simply do not need to be mapped out here.  I guess basically what I'm suggesting is that this page become more of a page following a MOS similar to a "Franchise" mother page (for lack of a better example).  I've worked on other pages, so I know how much work it takes to get an article to a GA rating; editing, sourcing, daily monitoring, cleaning up after mischievous 12-year-olds, etc, so I try to be respectful about what type of edits I perform on GA pages, but, honestly, just skimming throughout the article I see numerous instances where much of the information could be moved to the "Season 1" page (if it isn't there already).  One example is the "Conception" section: Murphy noted tour buses that go by Sharon Tate's house and clubs devoted to murder re-creations. [...everything in between...] Falchuk noted that American Horror Story's scariest moments to him come from the emotional drama that the Harmons must contend with, as opposed to the violent scenes.  While I acknowledge the "development" of the first season is relevant (if season 1 had not been a hit, there would not be a season 2), none of what I've outlined above in bold is really essential information that is applicable to subsequent seasons.  I could go through section-by-section and point to other examples, but I know there are smart people here who got this page to a GA rating and certainly don't need me to point out the obvious.  With some sections, the work of trimming looks a little more complicated, as with some examples I see, one sentence is relevant, the next sentence can really be moved to the season page, the next sentence is relevant, the next can be moved, etc, so it will take some picking through, but if I were one of the primary contributors to this page, I would want to try and get a handle on it now, rather than wait a few more weeks, when a third season is announced (with new characters, new story, new location), and a whole new wave of edits begin and sub-sections are created, etc.  Believe me, I know how much work goes into getting an article to a GA rating (and keeping it there), so I'm not out to butcher this page, or get it downgraded from its GA rating, but I think its time for editors to seriously re-evaluate what the purpose of this page should be.  I know it's tempting to want to look to other GA television series main pages for guidance on this, but I'm just being pragmatic.  Example: Glee is another Ryan Murphy show article with a GA rating.  However, the premise, cast, characters, etc remain essentially the same throughout the various seasons (yes, some characters come and go, but you know what I mean).  Now imagine the Glee article twice as long, now image it three times as long, now imagine it four times as long...  See where I'm going with this? --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 07:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't get me wrong, I know what you are talking about, as I have also pondered how to trim this beast to the bare bones and make it as generic as possible. We do not need to know: detailed conception, detailed seasonal casting (specific dates included), detailed Season 1 location info, and detailed ratings numbers. That is what the season articles are for. Believe me, my OCD alarm has been going off for about a month. I don't believe anyone would be upset if this entire page were fixed. As for the GA rating, I've asked for a re-assessment/ suggestions from the person who passed it last time and from anyone else. It was given its last GA in April 2012, back when Season 2 was just an idea of being different than S1. Like the saying goes: the devil is in the details. Just so happens, the devils spent the summer on the main page. —  Wylie pedia  08:13, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I worked the information into the respective season articles, thus allowing this page to flow better. Feel free to continue editing the page. —  Wylie pedia  09:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Infobox needs updating
I personally think it's time to update the Infobox. For example, it only lists it as 1 season with 12 episodes when it's currently airing it's second season with it's own 13 episodes (making a total episode count of 25). Dfizzles (talk) 03:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The season number is updated, but the episode count doesn't get updated until a new episode airs, for example it is currently at 13 (Season 1's 12 and 2's 1 aired eps). The season articles, however, will have the entire number in the infobox, as seen on American Horror Story: Asylums page as 13. Thanks. —  Wylie pedia ' 20:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Nice work on the cleanup
Thanks to Wyliepedia (aka: CAWylie) for the work of trimming the page down. It looks much more straight-forward and easier for 90% of the readers to find what they're looking for (which, as of now, is Season 2). The only thing I might say could use a little more trimming later on down the line is the "Overview" section. Since Asylum just started, there's not too much plot to outline yet, so there's no rush to trim down Season 1 right away. However, once Season 2 has aired and there is a full second season (aka: miniseries) to outline, the Season 1 section could probably be trimmed and the plots of both seasons could be streamlined to be more of a 25,000 ft. "overview" and less specific (if people want spoilers they're just one click away from finding those details on the respective season/miniseries pages). The lede has also been bugging me a little bit, but it's just minor wording so I'll see what I can do to tinker with it within the next day or so (no big changes, just cleanup). --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 07:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I had some extra time so I went ahead and reworked a couple of the things that were bothering me, including the lede. One thing - Looking at the page again, I'm not sure the "Cast & characters" and "Overview" sections are working for me bumped to the top of the article the way they are.  I know it varies on different articles, but I've become accustomed to television articles beginning with "Production", "Conception", "Casting", etc.  It's really more just a formatting issue rather than a problem with the content contained therein, so I'll wait and let other editors put in their two cents, but starting the article with a list of actors isn't really working for me. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 10:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the props, Crakkerjakk! Your recent edits were very much needed/appreciated as well. As for the Cast List, I don't think it's necessary. A pseudo-detailed overview section eliminates the need for a list of names, i.e. first season overview lists them all anyway (and who cares how many episodes they were in?). However, if you extend an overview for the second season, every detail will be listed by random editors, I'm sure. (Look at the vague succinctness of "Neighbor Constance Langdon (Jessica Lange) and disfigured Larry Harvey (Denis O'Hare) routinely and frequently affect the Harmons' lives." I just had a flashback to when I had to first trim the Overview because the entire season's details were given. *shudder* So, I'm fine with moving up the other sections under it. Overview, Production, Conception, etc. This page is unequivocally a "work in progress". —  Wylie pedia  01:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's true. Now that you mention it, I don't really see a pressing need to include a "Cast" section either (particularly since all the lead players are already named in other sections). And I agree that an "Overview" section laying out the featured characters and essential premise for each season/series is useful, but I'm still not convinced that the current amount of "plot" information (aka: spoilers) we have now is necessary for this page.  I don't claim to be the world's greatest writer, but I'm pretty good at trimming things like this down to the the essentials, so I'll see what I can come up with and post it here first for other editors to take a look at before I make any changes to the page.  I'm also leaving the "Cast" section for now.  We can wait another day or two to see if anyone else has an opinion about it.  If we have consensus (or if we end up being the only two people participating in this discussion) then either you or I can just go ahead and remove the "Cast" lists.  I'm still feeling like the "Overview" section should be below the "Production" section, but we can wait another day or two on that as well to see if anyone else has an opinion. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 12:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * To be clear, Overviews need plot descriptions of previous episodes, not "future" info or "spoilers". Anything detailed should also be listed at the seasonal articles, which is why I haven't really added anything to Season 2's Overview here. Anything from Episode 201 can change in the next couple of episodes. On that note also, I will not change anything added to the Overview until late in the season as I tire of edit wars. Hopefully the hidden editors' note about being succinct will suffice. As for the layout, Overview should trump Production but that's just my opinion. Overview could even remain separate. —  Wylie pedia  00:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, believe me. I know exactly what you mean.  You haven't seen anything until you've tried monitoring a Disney or Nickelodeon TV series article.  The sheer number of minute "plot" details added by excitable 10-year-old girls in a single day could be a miniseries of "American Horror Story" all its own.  But I digress.  I really do know how exhausting it can be when it comes to Overview, aka: "Synopsis", aka: "Premise" sections.  In the words of the inimitable Constance Langdon, I have a proverbial bug up my @$$ about spoilers being provided on TV series main pages (even if the series has aired already, not everyone has seen it and/or wants to know how it ends before they've had a chance to).  In my opinion, an "overview" should simply set the stage of the premise (which should almost always be evident from watching the first one or two episodes of a series).  I personally believe that anything that isn't apparent within the first couple of episodes (particularly plot twists and/or surprise endings, etc) should never be included.  I've just taken a few minutes to hammer out what I believe the "overview" on this page should be.  If anything, you may think that I've cut things down too much, so I'd like your opinion (or that of anyone else who has one) before making any edits to the page itself.  It appears that we're the only two engaged in the tweaking of this article right now, so I'll appreciate it if you would take a look below and let me know what you think.  And don't worry, I'm not possessive about what I write, so I won't be offended if you disagree or if you can come up with some better wording, but this is basically just a way to show you the essential information that I believe belongs on this page.  Any plot synopsis above and beyond what I've outlined below, I firmly believe should not be included (even after season 2 is completed), but please let me know what you think.

The first season is themed on infidelity. The story takes place in 2011 and follows the Harmon family: psychiatrist Ben (Dylan McDermott), his wife Vivien (Connie Britton) and their teenage daughter Violet (Taissa Farmiga), who move from Boston to Los Angeles after Vivien gives birth to a stillborn baby and Ben has an affair. The Harmons move into a restored mansion and soon encounter the home's former residents, the Langdons: Constance Langdon (Jessica Lange) and her two children, Tate (Evan Peters) and Addie (Jamie Brewer), and the disfigured Larry Harvey (Denis O'Hare). Ben and Vivien try to rekindle their relationship, as Violet, suffering from depression, finds comfort with Tate. The Langdons and Larry Harvey frequently influence the Harmons' lives, as the family discovers that the home is haunted by its former inhabitants.

The second season, titled American Horror Story: Asylum is themed on sanity. The story takes place in 1964 and follows the patients, doctors and nuns who occupy the Briarcliff Mental Institution, founded to treat and house the criminally insane. The wardens who run the institution include the sadistic Sister Jude (Jessica Lange), her second in command Sister Mary Eunice (Lily Rabe) and the founder of the institution, Monsignor Timothy Howard (Joseph Fiennes). The doctors charged with treating the patients at the asylum include psychiatrist Dr. Oliver Thredson (Zachary Quinto) and scientist Dr. Arthur Arden (James Cromwell). The patients, who each claim to be unjustly institutionalized include, lesbian journalist Lana Winters (Sarah Paulson), accused serial killer Kit Walker (Evan Peters), and alleged murderer Grace (Lizzie Brocheré).
 * Thanks in advance for taking the time to take a look and giving your opinion. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 11:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The revamped overview works, although I think Arden might me a higher-up. That area was a bit grey in the first episode. But both list only the mains, which is great. A slight tweak: "The Langdons and Larry frequently influence..." Two "Larry Harveys" is a bit much. —  Wylie pedia  19:18, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they don't really specify if Dr. Arden is supposed to be the head of the medical department that oversees the other doctors or what, so I figured we couldn't go wrong if we just mentioned that he was a doctor for now. And yes, I've tried to list only the main characters (Addie wasn't officially a "main" character, but she was a Langdon and was essentially a main character before being killed half way through the season, so I decided that was the one exception where it made more sense to mention her than to not mention her).  And I get your point about "Larry Harvey" twice.  I didn't catch that when I wrote it, so I'll fix that.  Since you've signed off on the basic framework I've outlined above, I'll tweak it a little more and then add it to the article (no big changes, just some rewording).  Thanks again. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 09:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've gone ahead and added the simplied "Overview" and removed the "Cast" lists. I've kept all of the "See also" section headers on the page although I'm not convinced we need them all, but I figured I'd keep them and let others take a look before undertaking a decision to remove any of them from the article.  I've also left the "Overview" section above the "Production" section.  I'm still not sure I'm happy with starting the article that way, however, I tried formatting with the "Production" section first, but the quotebox gets displaced by the infobox when the article is formatted that way, so I wasn't happy with that either.  These smaller details aside, I feel a lot better now that the article no longer begins with a list of actors and the spoilers are removed. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 10:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The page looks great! I removed the Ext. Link to Metacritic. They just list reviews and nothing else there, the rest have episodes, quotes, cast/crew, etc. This page is concise and navigable now! —  Wylie pedia  14:34, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh ok. I actually meant the "See also" templates within sections like See also: List of American Horror Story episodes atop the "Overview" section (we already include See Also links to the season 1 and Asylum articles in that section which seems like enough) or the See also: List of American Horror Story characters atop the "Casting" section.  I'm just not sure that we need so many within the body of the article.  I suppose we could create a separate "See also" section at the bottom of the article to list these types of pyramid pages, but it's not a big deal if others think they should stay where they are.  I just didn't want to move (or remove) them until others had an opportunity to weigh in. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 15:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I didn't see the additional words "section headers" from the "See also" above. I had the words first season and second season wikilinked prior to my big cleanup but changed it to this. I'm also not liking it the more I'm looking at it and will change it back. As for the Characters hat, that is necessary as it is an additional frame of reference for visitors. We have an Episode list, separate season links, and most would like to see character descrips and come here first. I think it's best to have the links embedded like that (again...flow) than have a "See also" section at bottom, but that's just my opinion. Also, the separate season headers in the overview might be pointless, now that it's smaller, but I like it, as you can jump there right from the TOC. Still, we need a Wiki Cookie for our work! —  Wylie  pedia  18:05, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Backlinking "first season" and "second season" in the "Overview" section looks like a better solution, rather than having so many "See also" templates.  And I don't have a problem with the See also template for characters.  I moved it to the "Casting" section after I removed the "Cast" section, so I just wasn't sure if that was the right place for it, but it was the best place I could find.  lol. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 04:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: The issues in this discussion have been resolved, so this section can be hatted and/or archived. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 03:05, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Season One: Cast
RamkarUmmo (talk) 01:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC) Alexandra Breckenridge is part of the cast of season 1, Murder House. I think she needs to be listed. Thank you.


 * Feel free to be bold and do it yourself, although it will bloat the section, which is why she and her counterpart, Frances Conroy, get more mention at that season's article. This main page is more about the series as a whole, which is why there are editor's notes in each stating not to add too much story here. Notice Jamie Brewer is only mentioned casually. —  Wylie pedia  02:54, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2016
After "Season 7", I think there should be a "Future" paragraph explaining Ryan Murphy's plans for a Murder House/Coven season.

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Other Notable Actors? Are You Kidding Me?
Jessica Lange is listed under "other notable actors"? I think anyone who knows anything about AHS knows that Ms. Lange PUT THIS SHOW ON THE FREAKIN' MAP. And the person who wrote this Wikipedia page decided it would be best to arrange the actors, not in terms of their fame or impact on the show, but how many seasons they've appeared in? That's absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:8403:1CC0:2DD7:99D7:7CF7:EA5E (talk) 01:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

For those who use Userboxers
I created this one, if you would like to add it to your profile. You may also request another with a different saying on my Talkpage. I also created a Category:Wikipedians who like American Horror Story that you can add as well. Thanks! —  Wylie pedia  17:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:American LGBT related programs
Just noticed there's been some back and forth editing with regards to the Category:American LGBT-related television programs. I don't have a strong opinion about it one way or another and I'm not sure if the category is meant for programming that specifically addresses LGBT themes as the primary storyline, but at first glance there appear to be several series contained therein that do not fit that criteria and those of us who have followed AHS from the beginning know that there have been various LGBT characters throughout both seasons, so I thought I'd create a section about it here before this particular issue turns into an editing war. Can anyone objecting to the addition of this show to the category please explain your reasoning here so the rest of us understand exactly what the problem is and the discussion can be cited in edit summaries? Thanks. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 07:24, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Category description: "This category includes television series, made-for-television films, news, entertainment, specials and other programming originating in the United States, which deal with or feature significant lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender characters or issues and may have same-sex romance or relationships as an important plot device." Myself, I don't think there's "significant" coverage and certainly not as an "important plot device." It had no impact on either season overall and affected only a few/one character(s), but as you can see I've not been involved in the edit wars as those issues are borderline. There's that gray area — it's not overtly LGBT nor does it not hardly mention the theme. If the edit wars concern people who wish not to hear the terms, then that's completely immoral, prejudicial, etc. It's like when the reverts happened over Lana being a lesbian, there were edit wars then too. —  Wylie pedia  07:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's what I thought too. In the first season it was definitely a C or D storyline (at best), but in Asylum it's quite a bit more prominent as Lana is one of the primary characters and her being a lesbian serves as the whole catalyst for why she's institutionalized in the first place (if she wasn't committed then everything in her story subsequent to her being sent to the asylum doesn't happen), so I can see both sides of it.  It just bothers me when editors repeatedly add/remove something without giving any reason whatsoever (it just leads to edit wars), so I thought I'd create a section for it here so those who have stronger opinions on the subject than we do can make their case the next time they decide to edit the category back in/out (and if they don't, we now have the ability to revert and simply direct them here to make their case).  --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I see the category has been re-added, so I'm assuming the issue has been resolved, but just dropping a note to update that the series has now won the GLAAD Media Award for Outstanding TV Miniseries, so if there are any further problems down the line this should settle the issue once and for all. If anyone tries to remove the category again, just refer them to this thread and/or the GLAAD Media Award win as irrefutable rationale for keeping it. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 01:11, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Connections b/w seasons

 * http://www.eonline.com/news/593947/yes-all-of-american-horror-story-s-seasons-are-connected?cmpid=sn-111021-facebook-na-eonline --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:53, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Whats going on?
How come all the character names have this: "The fourth season is set in Jupiter, Florida in 1952, and follows the lives of a troupe of people belonging to one of the last remaining freaks shows of its time. ‹The template AHSCharacter is being considered for deletion.› Elsa Mars (Jessica Lange) is the owner of Fraulein Elsa's Cabinet of Curiosities; and her performers, who she calls her monsters, include the bearded lady ‹The template AHSCharacter is being considered for deletion.› Ethel Darling (Kathy Bates), her son ‹The template AHSCharacter is being considered for deletion.› Jimmy Darling (Evan Peters), the strongman ‹The template AHSCharacter is being considered for deletion.› Dell Toledo (Michael Chiklis) and his three-breasted wife ‹The template AHSCharacter is being considered for deletion.› Desiree Dupree (Angela Basset), as well as the newly recruited conjoined twin sisters ‹The template AHSCharacter is being considered for deletion.› Bette and Dot Tattler (Sarah Paulson)."

It says that on every season of American Horror Story, even in the cast list of every season as well. 24.138.173.68 (talk) 13:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Please go here to discuss it. (Addendum: Has since been deleted and the character names have been directed to the character page.) —  Wylie pedia  01:41, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Fake Cast List for AHS: Hotel
There has been a fake cast list circulating for weeks now, starting from a list made on IMDb by a fan listing their "dream cast" for American Horror Story: Hotel. The list is here: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls073111084/ Several sources have picked up on this because it's done its rounds on the internet, but it is in no way, shape or form valid, and should not be included on the page here, because it is not valid despite other sources listing it as so. Lily Rabe, Frances Conroy, Denis O'Hare, Finn Wittrock, Michael Chiklis, Grace Gummer, Christine Estabrook, Michelle Pfeiffer, Alexander Skarsgard, Tammy Blanchard, Steven Weber and Donald Sutherland are NOT confirmed to join the cast. Ificannotlove (talk) 19:58, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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"Title sequences" section
Currently, the 3rd, 5th and 6th paragraphs of the "Title sequences" section are unsourced. Is this ok? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:18, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Multiple issues in episodes section prose
I have removed material I believe to be problematic in a |series of three edits. User:7e2 has reverted these changes with no explanation. Looking into the article history, I see that parts of my changes have been attempted for several months with similar reasoning. In those instances User:7e2 also reverted with no explanation. I was hoping the reverting editor and others would chime in with their views.


 * |Here I removed a poorly worded sentence fragment that is WP:OR.


 * |Here I reverted unsourced casting info.


 * |This is not how brackets are used to fill in direct quotes. Again, checking the source we use for the statement, it is inappropriate to use it in this fashion and essentially amounts to WP:OR.

Hope to hear from some folks soon. Millahnna (talk) 20:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

New info about Season 7 to add to article
Hi all, should this be included under Season 7? Quoting Ryan Murphy, source here, but I know there are better ones if needed:

"The first 10 minutes of the season, this season, takes place in a very eerie macabre way on election night and there’s something terrible that happens in the lives of our characters on election night as they’re watching it all go down. Which in itself was a horror story, so it’s like a horror story upon a horror story."

Thanks, Melodies1917 (talk) 15:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I made a recent addition under season 7 that includes a ref to an interview Murphy did with E! Online (the source interview in your link, as well) which includes that quote. I didn't feel the need to include it at the time, since I was focused on the issue of whether or not there would be actors portraying Trump and Clinton. We could easily trim that quote down to note the setting of the season, though. Something like "The opening of the season is set on the night of the USA's November 2016 elections" only with better tone and appropriate wikilinks. I named the ref "Dianafeud" and it's showing as ref 17, if that helps. At a quick glance, I would say we could add a few words to the sentence where we already note the election focus and use the same ref again.  Not sure it's super important to narrow down the opening setting that much (as in I honestly don't know and defer to more experienced tv article editors).  Millahnna (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Does this belong in the article?
If you look at my revision I had removed the content about Murphy posting "clues" to Instagram, but the same user 7e2 undid it. I don't want to engage in an edit war, so I'm asking here if this is really encyclopedic? I believe there are sources for it (the Instagram post URL itself if anything)...Melodies1917 (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Adina Porter returning in season 7.
Yesterday, photos of AHS7 filming were leaked. Evan Peters (with blue hair, in keeping with Ryan Murphy's Instagram clue), Sarah Paulson and Adina Porter were all pictured. When I added Adina Porter to the Season 7 section (With a source!!) it was removed. Why was it removed? This is confirmation that she will appear in some capacity, and even if it's just a one episode arc it will be notable due to the large nature of her part in Roanoke. Please add her back in now.

Adina played Lee Harris in Roanoke and Sally Freeman in Murder House.

Americanasoul (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Near-future cleanup
As stated in this discussion, the data listed in Cult section will have to be changed to its seasonal plot overview at the proper time. Listing production information is for its own page and has been started. —  Wylie pedia  12:28, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Genre - Dark Comedy, Black Comedy
Watching them now. There is a lot of tongue in cheek comedy. It seems to satirise the horror genre itself. Could 'Dark Comedy' be listed as one of the genres or is it just me? Reaper7 (talk) 22:38, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

"The Family Jewels (American Horror Story)" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect The Family Jewels (American Horror Story). The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 16 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- / Alex /21  08:17, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft notice for American Horror Stories
This is a notice that there is a draft for the spin-off series American Horror Stories at Draft:American Horror Stories until such a time that it is ready for inclusion in the mainspace. All are welcome to come help nurture the article's development there. -- / Alex /21  12:54, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Opening title of season 10
Does anyone add a paragraph for season 10's Opening title screen? NIKO (talk) 03:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)