Talk:American Ninja Warrior

Unclear sentence in lead paragraph
I don't understand what this sentence in the lead paragraph means: "ANW succeeds the qualifier G4 Ninja Fests into Sasuke, as the American Ninja Challenge." It just seems like gobbledygook. Can someone who is familiar with the show fix the sentence? If I have no idea what it means, I think there are other readers who can't decipher it either. --JamesAM (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed! American Ninja Warrior succeeded G4's American Ninja Challenge as the qualifying path for Americans to enter Sasuke, the Japanese show on which both were patterned. Hope it's cleared up now.  Cjmclark (Contact) 19:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Denver Qualifying obstacles
(1) Quintuple Steps (2) Cat Grab (3) Spinning Log (4) Spikes into Cargo (5) Devil Steps (6) Warped Wall Seriously, American Ninja Warrior and their Cargo Nets... -_- 172.243.57.94 (talk) 02:37, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but what's it all about?
It's a sports entertainment competition that began on December 12, 2009. Beginning with the fourth season in 2012 blah, blah, blah. The sixth season premiered on Monday, May 26, 2014 blah, blah, blah. And then we're into season details, such as how it was held in Los Angeles, where hundreds of competitors came to challenge themselves against the course. Nowhere does it say anything about what goes on! What challenge? What course? Sure, I can always look at the linked article about Sasuke but is this how Wikipedia's supposed to work? I'm a non-American who has only just heard of this programme today, 20th Aug 2014. Am I supposed to come to this article already knowing what the show is about? I don't think so. 2.98.242.116 (talk) 16:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There should be more useful information in the lede, perhaps borrowed from the Sasuke page. "A reality show based on attempts to complete an obstacle course", something like that?
 * Also, I'd like to see more information about differences between the American program and the Japanese program. Kortoso (talk) 16:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Trivia, etc.
I have again removed an enormous amount of unverified and unencyclopedic material. In a nutshell, this is an encyclopedia (duh), not a fan site for exhaustive detail. Given how poorly this article is verified, all this detail is wholly excessive--in addition, the colors are cute and all that, but a. they violate WP:COLOR and b. we're not in kindergarten anymore. Now, this is one of the coolest TV shows on American television; surely we can make a better article than this. Drmies (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The obstacles were there in the first place, Now some stupid guy keeps on changing and erasing them! That's how they were in the first place when this page was created. Also does this person even watch the show? Please somebody change it back! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:4180:51C:30EF:C545:FE09:AA7 (talk • contribs)
 * I agree with Drmies, and have removed the lists again. It's out of scope for a general encyclopedia to cover every single detail of a game show; it means nothing to a general reader, and is more suited for a fan site. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 22:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you . It pains me to see what people think Wikipedia is for. Drmies (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Season 5 (2013), Stage 1: 69 - Dorian Cedars - Cleared, 71 - Trevor Vaughn - Cleared, 75 - Jesse Villarreal -	Cleared, 76 - Stephen Volcko - Cleared, 77 - Chris Wilczewski - Cleared, 78 - Brian Orosco - Cleared, 79 - Derek Nakamoto - Cleared ??? If they have cleared Stage 1, why they are not qualified for Stage 2? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.47.92 (talk) 13:21, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2015
At the end of the first sentence, please change the period so that it appears inside the quotes. Instead of ....increasing difficulty called "stages". It should appear ....increasing difficulty called "stages." according to basic grammar rules. 74.103.38.68 (talk) 15:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

74.103.38.68 (talk) 15:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: per MOS:LQ. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 01:46, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2015
In season 7 under changes remove In the qualifying round only the top 30 competitors will move on to the city finals In the city finals round only the top 15 competitors will move on to Vegas. There will be 5 wildcard spots. The competitors that finished in 16th place will be moving on to Vegas

Americanninjawarriorfan (talk) 02:44, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  11:27, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

An idea.
I've noticed that this page hasn't exactly been about the actual show and more about what goes on during each season. To prevent this from cluttering up the page and make it more organized, then should we give each season it's own page and let this page be for more about the actual show and what goes on? Honorable Scizor (talk) 00:54, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I got a better idea: get rid of all that unverified, unencyclopedic trivia in the first place. These aren't the Olympics--some contestant getting some score is not automatically relevant and of value. It's become a fan page, not an encyclopedic article. Note that the article has been tagged for six years for lack of sources, and that given its enormous size it's incredibly poorly sourced. Really, it's an embarrassment. All that chit-chat should be moved to Wikia, or someone's personal website. Drmies (talk) 17:19, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2015
In Season 7, under U.S. Nielsen ratings, it lists the Orlando qualifying as having first aired on June 15, 2015...but that's today, it's not on, and the NBC ANW site says (alas, only in a dynamic slider) that the Orlanding qualifying will air on June 22nd.

Therefore, for Season 7, in the "U.S. Nielsen ratings" section, under the "First air date" column, for the "Orlando Qualifying" row, please change "June 15, 2015" to "June 22, 2015".

P0q8107 (talk) 04:12, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Since your request, the information you refer to has been moved to American Ninja Warrior (season 7) and someone has fixed the Orlando air date. I think this means your issue has been fixed — please ask if there is still any incorrect information you want to update in either article. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 08:17, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Obstacles/Enough's Enough
Over the past weeks and time and time again, this page has been nothing more than messy. There are some stuff that should stay on the American Ninja Warrior page on here, but some Users all of sudden have erased or deleted some important information without an explanation. I'm going out on a Limb and calling these Users: Superhamster, Drmies, Bilorv and Williams21, All these guys have just been deleting stuff and control way too much of this page as well, also they have been bullies to other users and have done nothing, but block users over and over again. While other users such as JasonNolan64, NinjaRya, Teamdopefreshnationsforlife, ArticGriffin, as well as a few others have tried to keep this page normal and add the right info and what needs to stay on the page. However, the 4 users (Superhamster, Drmies, Bilorv and Williams21), just keep on deleting information and all 4 don't even watch the show at all. Next I'm gonna talk about the obstacles, The Obstacles have to stay on this page because people would like to found out which obstacles were on on each course and the obstacles are the main part of the show and how do the obstacles need follow guildelines. Go here if you want to find out more information about American Ninja Warrior and the original version of the show: http://sasukepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Main and Sasukepedia is so much better than the ANW page here. Now if these edit wars keen on happening, Might As well delete the whole entire page. And it would be helpful for someone to create pages for the other 6 seasons.

Obstacles: Once again the obstacles should stay on this page because it's important to know which obstacles were on each course and season. Also, if you have a problem with The Obstacles, You must have OCD and who cares what colors they are. And Once Again THE OBSTACLES ARE THE MAIN PART OF THE SHOW! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:84:4100:FAFD:2925:59A5:5003:749B (talk) 06:28, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finally taking the time to post on the talk page, which has been asked multiple times by editors removing the list of obstacles (including me). Several points:
 * "Users all of sudden have erased or deleted some important information without an explanation" - not true at all. As has been explained time and again, explanations have been provided in edit summaries, the section above, and this deletion discussion for the removal of the obstacles list.
 * Valid Wikipedia content guidelines and policies have been used to justify the removal: WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:NOTWEBHOST, and the spirit of WP:GAMECRUFT come to mind. The table also went totally against WP:COLOR as being hard to read, particularly for people with issues seeing color.
 * The reason behind the removal is that it is far too detailed information for a general encyclopedia. We're here to provide an encyclopedic view on a topic; your average reader doesn't need to know every little intricate detail about which obstacles appears in what show. "it's important to know which obstacles were on each course and season" - I'm not convinced it is. Maybe a description of all the obstacles would be useful, but listing every single obstacle that appears in each season or episode is insignificant and unverifiable. You're right about Sasukepedia. If you're a fan of the show and want to know about every little detail, then Sasukepedia is your friend. Wikipedia is not a fan site, was never meant to be a fansite, and will never be a fansite. You greatly misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia, and I more than welcome you to contribute your list of obstacles anywhere other than Wikipedia. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 14:02, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've given policy-based rationales all over Ninja Warrior UK and so has everyone else who has removed content — that's clearly a waste of time here, so I'll try something different. I love Ninja Warrior. "all 4 don't even watch the show at all" is completely untrue: I watch the show. As a young child, it was one of my favourite shows on TV. Admittedly, I haven't seen the U.S. version but I've seen plenty of Sasuke, Women's Ninja Warrior and the recent UK version. But Wikipedia is not about what people are interested in or enjoy. It is about making a serious encyclopedia that only includes content that is important — by tougher standards than a fan of the show thinking it should be included. I'm not trying to be a bully; I'm being as nice as I can. I've gone on and on about Sasukepedia. But these discussions are not helping anything. This content is not going to be included on this site. End of story. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 22:56, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Stop Removing Season 7 Off The Page!
This content needs to stay on the page because for one, none of the other seasons have it's own page. So why does this one? And I know I didn't add the content in the first place but please keep the Season 7 content on the main page. It has content people need to know if they want to do research on ANW. Please stop removing it. ~JasonNolan64 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe the other seasons are notable enough to have their own pages, but that's irrelevant (7 wrongs don't make a right). Per WP:SPLIT, when articles get too big (75K bytes is quite big but the real problem is length - look how many long tables the article has), we should make new pages and just summarise their content at the main article. Personally, I don't feel much of what is in the current article is notable enough to be included anyway but I don't really want to get into edit wars. But if there is a separate season article, we should have a hatnote / main link to it and only duplicate its content briefly; anyone wanting to do research on ANW [if they needed this page at all] could just click on of those links. As I said when originally reverting you, this split is important because some people won't be able to comfortably read, navigate and/or load this page — especially mobile readers and those with slow internet. I know you didn't create the season article, but this is a wiki, so that's irrelevant; you do not own this page or any other and you can't be so controlling and keep trying to enforce your opinion if others disagree.
 * I'm not going to revert you again just yet, but I'm going to ask you kindly if you could please undo your changes while we discuss this. I'm also going to ping to see if they want to say anything about why they reverted you. If 48 hours pass and you've not replied, I'm going to undo your changes, but I'll wait until then (although I can't promise no-one will revert you in the meantime). — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 05:44, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I took the initiative to finally create a separate article after years of neglect. JasonNolan you need to understand that when articles about television shows have multiple seasons, they are not all kept on one page, they're split into their own articles.  For example,  The Voice is relatively the same size (it has 8 seasons), and all of the seasons have their own page.  On the main page, the season has a very small paragraph outlining the very rough details of what occured during that season; it doesn't include the whole article.  Even small shows that have a mere two seasons have them separated.  Do you not realize that this information has been removed because it has its own page?  Have you even seen  season 7's page?  You realize that we've removed it for a reason... Arcticgriffin (talk) 17:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2015
In Season 5 Stage 1 Clears, it says #71 was Trevor Vaughn, when it was Yev Kouchnin

OMGNiceSweater (talk) 22:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I've made the change you requested in this edit. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 22:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Kane Kosugi and other Sasuke finishes
I get it that he is American, but he hasn't achieved anything on ANW, let alone even competed on the show. Do we really need multiple references to him? There have in fact been Americans who have competed, and even won other Non-Japanese versions of Sasuke, but I don't see their names footnoted anywhere.

While we are at it, why are we even including finishes on Sasuke in the first place? There is already a section for American Athletes on the Sasuke Page. It's like saying an American qualified for the finals of Britan's Got Talent. ANW is NOT Sasuke, and I would argue that the final Midoriyama course, even with similar obstacles, is clearly not the same, as evidenced by the complete lack of success the Sasuke champions have had on the ANW course in the specials.

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2015
24.189.39.123 (talk) 12:10, 6 August 2015 (UTC) American ninja warrior obstacles Vegas finals

JUST MAKE HOW IT WAS BEFORE THIS STUPID UPDATE More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:33, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".

Geoff Britain is the first American Ninja Warrior
In the intro section it should say "the seventh season ended with Geoff Britten as the first ever American Ninja Warrior followed by Issac Caldiero who took home the million dollars for having the fastest time." — Preceding unsigned comment added by CXUD111 (talk • contribs) 05:46, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The "title" of "American Ninja Warrior" (which the Japanese series referred to as "Total Victory") is, within the mythology of the show, reserved for those who've completed stage 4, and so both Caldiero and Britten earned the title, even though Caldiero was the winner of the season. Britten being the first person to complete state 4 on American soil is arguably just as important as Caldiero's ultimate victory. NewkirkPlaza (talk) 22:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2015
In the intro section it should say "the seventh season ended with Geoff Britten as the first ever American Ninja Warrior followed by Issac Caldiero who took home the million dollars for having the fastest time."

CXUD111 (talk) 05:50, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bazj (talk) 17:39, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2015
In the seventh season on Mt. Midoriyama, both Isaac Caldeiro and Geoff Britten completed every course, including Stage 3 and Stage 4. Isaac beat Geoff by a few seconds, making him the very first American Ninja Warrior. Geoff Britten finished with .35 seconds out of 30 left, Isaac finished with 3.86 seconds on the clock., upping the historical climb.

216.47.219.33 (talk) 16:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 17:31, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

how is the million dollars paid to the winner? is it paid in one lump sum or paid over many years?
Bold textAGT PAYS THEIR WINNER ONE MILLION DOLLARS OVER 40 YEARS. HOW IS THE WINNER OF AMERICAN NINJA WARRIOR PAID? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.69.110 (talk) 01:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * NBC pays the winner of American Ninja Warrior $1,000,000 in financial annuity over 40 years. ArcticGriffin (talk) 21:25, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Missing franchise article
We should have a Ninja Warrior (franchise) article to cover all the various Ninja Warrior TV shows in overview, especially the versions that don't have their own articles (like Team Ninja Warrior; Ninja Warrior France; X-Warrior China; etc) -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 06:33, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Or simply Ninja Warrior. Chase (talk) 06:39, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * repurposing would also work -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 21:19, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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Split [2017] off Team Ninja Warrior

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Team Ninja Warrior should be split off into its own article, since it's a separate TV show, just like American Ninja Challenge. -- 70.51.200.162 (talk) 06:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.


 * Support I am the nominator -- 70.51.200.162 (talk) 06:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - It is a separate show and should thus have its own page. -  Galatz Talk  14:43, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:


 * This would be analogous to the situation of having a separate article for American Ninja Challenge, the predecessor show to ANW -- 70.51.200.162 (talk) 06:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Result

 * Note: Due to no objections I have split it off -  Galatz Talk  13:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


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Spin-out? [2018] -- All-Stars / Red Nose Day
I think that American Ninja Warriors: All-Stars and Celebrity Ninja Warrior for Red Nose Day (Celebrity American Ninja Warrior) should be spun off into separate articles, just as American Ninja Warrior: USA vs. The World has already been split off. -- 65.94.42.168 (talk) 11:55, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

2020 season 12
currently does not exist as an article, someone should start the article, as the season has started airing. -- 65.94.170.98 (talk) 03:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Problems with section Obstacle and course creation
First there's no sources. Not doubting the accuracy but there's no way to verify. More problematic is the advert tone. The word creative is used twice and it seems to be industry jargon. Use of an exclamation point. "Best of the best" etc. Not certain how to rewrite thie best so used cleanup tags for now. Technophant (talk) 16:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Monday, 7/25/22
I am an 80 year old female who loves your show and have watched it for years. I was very disappointed in Monday nights finale. Only one young man finished and he should receive the pass without competing against someone who did not finish the course. It wasn’t fair and I’m really upset about the outcome. I’m sure you don’t care what I think but it was not fair. Sandra Sherman, pasherm@ aol.com 132.147.9.39 (talk) 21:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Woman. This is a Wikipedia page. If you have a problem talk to nbc Lakadium837 (talk) 00:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Page clearing
The page certainly needs major clearance as was previously noted by maintenance tags. I've done as much cleanup and updating to what the show is about now as I could. The information you're trying to push through the page now is mostly reverting my edits to a troublesome page it has been all along, most of which relevant to particular seasons and not the show as a whole (per Template:Overly detailed). Moreover, the Series overview table surely must be left alone (or Winners section somehow briefly paraphrased) as any further edit makes it exceed the 100% limit (which forces users to scroll horizontally to see everything, forbidden by Manual of Style/Accessibility). If you disagree with me, please discuss it here first, and don't just discard my edits out of hand. Eagowl | talk | 02:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)