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We typically mention key brand names in articles on medical substances. Thus restored Cold-fx Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 05:46, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Cold-fX
I deleted the comments on this product because it seems to me not to be sufficiently general for a well-writen encyclopedia article. Is this an isolated case or are there other examples of unvalidated claims for supplements containing American ginseng? Are such problems linked to the ginseng itself? In the US, it is illegal to make any health claims about supplements derived from natural products because they are not clinically evaluated by the FDA for safety and efficacy as are pharmaceuticals; there is a requirement for the manufacturer to note this fact on the product label. So, the consumer is the guinea pig, and the FDA is required to intervene only after harm to the consumer has been reported. The regulation of supplements may be different in Canada, which may be worth mentioning. It would be better, I think, to describe the problems associated with supplements, then cite the example, or make a separate article linking back to am ginseng. You know the old saying, "there is no such thing as bad publicity"; the logo looks like an ad! Tachyon (talk) 01:36, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * English Wikipedia is not America Wikipedia. While the FDA is a reliable source it is not the only reliable source. This product "Cold-fX" is notable in some parts of the English world even though it is poorly supported by evidence. If you have concerns with the wording we can discuss changing it. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 06:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree that English Wikipedia is not America Wikipedia. Furthermore, the statement made about FDA evaluation is misunderstood and inaccurate anyway. Natural supplements are nearly completely legally immune to government oversight about their claims, so long as the person making the claim makes it clear that those claims are not FDA evaluated. Most bottles of supplements in the United States make broad such claims as "supports kidney function" and "supports immune health" "supports memory and brain function" etc. right on the bottle without any basis for making these claims. This has been one of the fundamental political arguments being made against herbal remedies for decades. You shouldn't take it upon yourself to correct pages for legal reasons in an area where you don't understand (or simply "think" you understand) the actual law. Your comments about consumer guinea pigs likewise have no place in a scholarly work like Wikipedia. Wikipedia is place to document and reference knowledge and even allegations from all sides of issues, for the reader to learn and better understand the world. It is not a place to push your goals for social change by trying to shape the learning that happens here in order to prevent what you assume are dangerous practices by consumers and herbal supplement suppliers. Known dangers can and should be noted in any article, as should statements about the limitations of data. But your fear that something is untested and therefor risky does not make the thing dangerous, and has no scholarly merit to allow the kind of editing that you seem to be promoting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.215.174.34 (talk) 15:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Cold-fX
It is a common product. It does not work. Discussion of it is notable. Thus restored. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I deleted the Cold-FX sentence at the beginning of the article. Reason: "American ginseng (Panax quinquefolius, Panacis quinquefolis) is a herbaceous perennial plant in the ivy family," not a "medical substance." Personally, I think the entire "Society and culture" section should be removed (the content belongs in the Cold-fX article) but Doc James  really wants Cold-fX discussion (his word) in an encyclopedic article. The sentence, "Cold-fX is a product derived from the roots of North American ginseng (Panax quinquefolius)." could be added to the "Medical uses" section.User-duck (talk) 03:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
 * An extract is commonly used as a medicinal substance so should be included briefly at least. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 01:58, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree. Cold-fX is talked about in "Society and culture" section. I removed the name of the manufacturer and statements about their history. Does not seem appropriate for an article about American ginseng. I am not sure what this section should include.User-duck (talk) 09:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

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