Talk:American proletarian poetry movement

Discussion
Alright! So, I added some stuff (Critical Reception, that Philip Levine bit) and I know I still gotta work on it. Sorry about my lack. I don't know why, but it's harder than it seems. Maybe it is just me, or the obscurity of the subject...but I'm curious: what did you guys search in JSTOR, etc.? Perhaps I'm not researching 'correctly'.

Anyway -- I like we got up here so far. Definitely need citations, though!!

I looked at the Life in the Iron Mills page and it's pretty good -- they're using citations all over the place and have a lot of info, making for a rich page.

Go team! Giusti18 (talk) 04:51, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey team members! I definitely agree about the lack of citations, I will comb through what we have so far and add in-line references where needed. We have plenty of evidence, just need to put it all together!


 * Life in the Iron Mills as well as the Blood on the Forge articles are great examples for us at the moment. The Themes section for Blood on the Forge is fantastic and well-cited. I reviewed the What Work Is article, and they also have an engaging "Themes" section as well. We should certainly try to do something similar this article to better describe the aesthetics and function behind proletarian poetry. Aerdil (talk) 07:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Yo. Yeah, I'll get on the citations, but most of them are external media sources, not JSTOR. Looking at the other pages, something like "themes" would be great for proletariat stuffs. It's surprising how many "academic-level" articles haven't really been written about this subject, or they're all quite abstract, leaving much to the imagination (at least, the ones I've found, hence the music focus on that first burst of content) considering the impact of the genre on modern life. Rahorvath (talk) 09:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * In some ways your class topic is a little more difficult than the novel or author topics chosen by other students in your class. Bravo for taking on a complex topic. You will need references that back up the basic definition of proletarian poetry. You will also need references to show that individual authors or works mentioned in the article are described as being part of proletarian poetry (or as part of its legacy). The novel topics others are working on are a little easier to define since it's obvious that each chapter or character is part of the novel.


 * Because the boundaries of your topic might be less clear it could be very tempting to create your own definitions or analysis. You'll have to be extra careful not to stray into what Wikipedia calls original research by sticking to what the sources say. Cloveapple (talk) 17:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Resources
Some good things to take a quick look at: Cary Nelson's Repression and Recovery, Walter Kalaidjian's American Culture Between the Wars, and the Oxford Press American Poetry site (fantastic resource for all things American poetry). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Profhanley (talk • contribs) 15:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Review
Article review for 11/3 assignment: I really like how you guys incorporate the contemporary versions of proletarian poetry into your page. Keep it going! Grahamhacia (talk) 05:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Good Article Status
Alright, so, I guess I'll put up the article for good article nomination status? Rahorvath (talk) 07:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I suppose so. Even though there's more work to do, I'm thinking that because the nominations list is long, we can work on this more in the next week. Thanks for adding to this too, dude. Giusti18 (talk) 07:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I figure we'll get dinged on something or other, but also figure might want to get in under the deadline haha, oh journalism training, how you never fail... Rahorvath (talk) 07:36, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

You're hella right. And also -- working on this either tonight, like right now, or early in the morning, most likely both. I apologize again for my utter lack of work. Usually not like this...senioritis is in the air...shoulda gotten those journalism skills! Thanks again. Giusti18 (talk) 07:39, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Problems that need to be addressed for GA
Cloveapple (talk) 14:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Some of the footnotes are plain web addresses with no hint of what the content is. Add titles and other information
 * There's lots of stuff that looks like personal opinion with no references to back it up. It might be true. It might be a good analysis. It might be what you deeply believe. But you need sources and you need the article to have a neutral encyclopedia-like tone. Some random examples:
 * who specificly do you mean by "controlling powers"?? What specific people are you saying thought Guthrie was radical?
 * What does "who had done everything right in life" mean? Can you back it up? "right" according to who?
 * "The realization of the imbalances of U.S. capitalism"
 * "Many artists" which artists?? Can you back it up?
 * Where's the support for Springsteen songs expressing "the herculean effort it would take to make a change to benefit the proletarian cause."?

Thanks for the feedback, Cloveapple. Getting on my part now. Giusti18 (talk) 15:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Need to add!
Hey guys -- cleaned up some of the citation issues. Also, we should add a "Major Works" section, "Impact", etc.; stuff that directly discusses the poetry. Can't do it alone! Giusti18 (talk) 17:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Suggestions
Not ready for GA prime time, in my opinion. Background section should probably talk about the Communist Party a bit, or at least mention its role. Major works - - pasting in Dirge won't do - - you definitely need to mention the 1935 Proletarian Lit. in the U.S. anthology as well as some other influential volumes/books - - e.g. Rukeyser's U.S.1 etc. Definitely need to beef up the Critical Reception section - - prole lit in the 30s became a flashpoint of literary controversy in re art/politics, party/culture etc. The Legacy section just won't fly - - though it's interesting - - it's opinion and not "fact." Since the article is about poetry - - better to find legacy in U.S. poetry and radical poetry. Again, look at the Encyclopedia of the American Left for good, short stuff on prole lit and various authors. And the U. of I. site is an excellent resource for info on poets and prole. movement. Profhanley (talk) 17:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Only American proletarian poetry
This article is only about "American proletarian poetry". Therefore, I suggest that it should be so renamed. Rwood128 (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Or should it be expanded to include other countries? Rwood128 (talk) 12:01, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Defining a proletarian writer
Proletarian literature is defined, in the Wikipedia article, as "literature created by working-class writers mainly for the class-conscious proletariat". Several of the writers mentioned in this article do not fit that definition, even though they may well write about working class life. Kenneth Fearing, for example, was the son of a successful Chicago attorney, Even Langston Hughes appears to have had a fairly wealthy father, studied engineering, and worked as a young man, "as a personal assistant to historian Carter G. Woodson". To take one more example, William Carlos Williams came from a well-to-do background and studied medicine. Rwood128 (talk) 20:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * One solution would be to rename this article American left-wing political poetry. Rwood128 (talk) 20:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)