Talk:Amir Khan (boxer)/Archive 1

Can we see the british flag next to British
Born in Britain and competed for Britain.

Article
You are always welcome to go ahead and edit it!Lil&#39;Khan 17:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone sneaked in this shenanigan into the Amir Khan professional section, as of 3:15 or so CST (US):

"On April 5th 2008, Khan beat Kristjansen in the 7th round of a WBO World Lightweight. There is some speculation as to whether Khan cheated."

It's a semi-protected page, & apparently only allows registered users to edit it.

--- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.90.188.29 (talk) 08:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

April 2007
The Sugar Ray Leonard quote is hyperbole from an observer who has seen little of Khan. Leonard as a pundit is not held in the same regard as he was as a fighter, and he has a reputation for saying the politically correct thing and telling people what they want to hear Benbrindon 05:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please change Amir Khans ranking, he is now ranked 11 in the WBO, the reference is here: http://www.frankwarren.tv/drill/News/Articles/2007/04/18/text-khan-is-wbo-no-11.html

Did It!
Changed the rankin' and i have put him on watchlist Lil&#39;Khan

Problem sentence
I've changed "He has won his first twelve professional fights, drawing good reviews in the tabloid press however boxing fans have criticised Khan for repeatedly fighting journeymen from lower weight divisions many with as few as zero knockouts." to "He has won his first twelve professional fights, drawing good reviews in the press".

Please don't put stuff like "boxing fans have criticised ..." into articles without linking to a newspaper article (or some other "Reliable Source") which proves that boxing fans have indeed done that. See Biographies of living people. Thanks, CWC 14:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it shouldn't be here at all with proof or without because it really ruins Amir's image and to say i think it's his choice to pick his opponents not ours thank youLil&#39;Khan 16:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I apologise, i changed this article before reading the discussion. I think that the criticism noted is an honest one but it also reflects Khans strength of character as it shows his reaction to the criticism and it does mention that Frank Warren in particular controls who Khan fights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weightchamp (talk • contribs) 08:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Minor Edits
I just replaced the chunk of writing that was written next to the willie limond fight about how the match went, and i moved it under neath the professional section as that is the place where it should be kept, the bottom section just should show his fights.

Driving conviction

 * "Khan is due to appear at Rochdale Magistrates Court on 26th October 2007 to face charges of driving in excess of 70 mph, failing to produce his driving license and failing to produce proof of insurance Result: The court took his licence away for the next 6 months and he has to pay 1000 pounds." ByLil&#39;Khan
 * I think two cases are being confused here. He got a six month disqualification and £1000 fine for careless driving in Bolton when he hit a pedestrian whilst overtaking cars stationary at traffic light in the wrong lane at approximately 47 mph.  He was due to appear in court also last week accused of doing 140+ mph on the M62 but failed to appear, he also did not produce his documents.  He has been ordered to appear next week and an arrest warrant will be issued if he is not court.
 * The section needs rewriting --jmb 16:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The slightly modified version is still incorrect. He did not appear in court in Rochdale and will be arrested if he does not appear this coming week.  The disqualification and fine if for a different offence.  --jmb 21:22, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

boxing trunks
anyone noticed that his colours on his boxing shorts represent england in white and red, and his pakistani hertage in green and white. think there should be a sentence or two describing him as being proud of his british and pakistani values. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.218.14 (talk) 16:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply>>

I'm on it!Lil&#39;Khan (talk) 02:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Weasel words?
"Khan has taken advantage of the pit of uselessness that is British lightweight boxing"

That shouldn't be in there surely? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.124.16.33 (talk) 02:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Amir's original descent
A user has wrongfully changed the info as to Amir's parental origin. There are referenced sources for his clan's residence and his ancestral lineal descent to the Janjua (fully referenced also in his book and a worldwide distributed mens magazine respectfully) as well as an online boxing review. Please can it be ensured that no politically motivated changes occur, as he is NOT Kashmiri or Indian, but a British Muslim of Pakistani Janjua Rajput descent who's parents famously hail from Rawalpindi.

Many thanks.--Raja (talk) 14:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You guys know what I'm sick and tired of Raja having to tell all these people He is NOT Kashmiri or Indian but a Janjua I think the message comes LOUD and CLEAR. --~*~Lil’GKhanster~*~ (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

my contribution was deleted. sine khan is an athlete i thought it prudent to mention the whole story of his racial background. is political correctness stopping this from being mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.48.105 (talk) 15:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Apologies to dissapoint but one must provide a reference for the assertion that his parents or indeed his ancestral clan has engaged in this. In fact the Colonial generals and majors who documented the clans history recorded that the Clan only intermarry with clans of equal Martial and aristocratic warrior standing.

Rawalpindi is like a smaller New York City of Pakistan and many different ethnic groups live in it. Starting with Punjabis as the major group, then comes Pashtuns (Pathans), followed by Kashmiris, and then others. This boxer "Amir Khan" has Pathan name but he looks more a Punjabi or Kashmiri.--119.73.4.130 (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Khan is actually a Mongolian title used first by the Juan Juan of central Asian Steppes, in the 5th century, later the Mongols of Genghis Khan, and eventually reaching the south Asian Afghans and other Indic Warrior clans. Later the title was also given to warrior Rajput clans by Mughal Emperors. This was never a Pathan/Afghan title/name, as they themselves recieved it from the Turks and Mongol overlords themselves. Khan appears Punjabi because he simply is of Punjabi racial heritage but a British lad of bi-cultural upbringing. His clan had inherited this title since the early 13th century. He is NOT a Pathan in any way shape or form.--~Raja~ (talk) 00:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * HE IS PAKISTANI!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.171.52 (talk) 16:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Source NO1: "..If you look at the caste, we come from a warrior caste in Pakistan you know, they call them Rajpoot.."

Source NO2: "..My family comes from a warrior clan background, the Rajput tribe from the Punjab.." — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTJKL12035 (talk • contribs) 07:20, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

IBF Title Hoax
Khan never fought for the IBF title, this was a PR stunt. This can be checked with Lyndsay Tucker head of the IBF championship committee or via boxrec.com 84.12.21.161 (talk) 18:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Professional fights table
It says he has 3 wins and 14 losses? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.64.145 (talk) 15:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Middle name
Khan's middle name really is "Iqbal", is it? I was a little suspicious to find zero relevant Google hits for "Amir Iqbal Khan" (with quotes). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.42.110 (talk) 20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's Sajid Mahmood's middle name!--LGK (talk) 04:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Google hits doesn't confirm the matter. Findmypast.com searches actual records, I'd say it's definately a reliable sources. --Jimbo[online] 20:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * LilG, provide a source for this of it will be removed.--Vintagekits (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * you guys can ask the Admin as it is the Official one it's called Amirsfans!--LGK (talk) 19:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Amir Khan's involvment with No Messin'!
Amir Khan is still involved with No Messin'! showing up at the events, having his photo taken and has had videos taken and placed on YouTube (He even has a link to the site on the top right hand corner of his website) and I feel this should be reflected on this page.

Please go to www.no-messin.com for more info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cozmoz (talk • contribs) 14:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It states that he is involved in the campaign further in the article, we can't do a whole section about it though. --LGK (talk) 16:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Someone check this please

 * He is the current Commonwealth lightweight champion and the remaining WBO Inter-Continental lightweight champion.

I think I changed this once before, but it seems to have changed back, so can I get a second opinion before I change it again in case I am going mad? First, I do not understand what "remaining" is supposed to mean here. Second, did he not lose said WBO title? So is he not the former WBO Inter-Continental lightweight champion? 04:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.90.74 (talk)

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Poor sentence
"Khan was knocked down within 35 seconds and struggled to make the count, Prescott downed him again within 45 seconds, moments later to win by knockout it was a big mistake standing and trading with a big pouncher like prescott" - there are so many things wrong with the last part of this sentence that I laughed when I read it. Grammer is off as well. I would modify but I'll probably make it worse... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.52 (talk) 11:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

You spelt grammar wrong whilst attempting to correct another persons grammar .. EPIC DUMBASS! Just thought I'd mention that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.193.174 (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

LOL! Good spot. My bad. Whatever anyway it's changed now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.52 (talk) 10:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

super lightweight
Khan holds the WBA world super lightweight title, not the welterweight. It's also been his weight division and he doesn't change weight classes often like other boxers do. Here's a list of WBA champions: http://wbanews.com/artman/publish/ratingRankings/WBA_Official_Ratings_as_of_October_2010.shtml --86.150.163.100 (talk) 14:21, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 77.97.141.45, 29 July 2011
Amir Khan has defeated four world champions.

77.97.141.45 (talk) 21:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please also specify where in the article this change would be made and what text would have to be changed. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Men's Health
We are using Men's Health as the source for the statement of Khan's Rajput origins. Since (a) he was born about 2 miles from me here in the UK and (b) this is a biography of a living person, I ask whether someone can provide a copy of that article for review. Unless he specifically self-identifies as a Janjua Rajput, the statement needs to be removed. - Sitush (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, can anyone provide another source? I note the discussion above basically went nowhere useful. - Sitush (talk) 18:50, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

"Alternatively, can anyone provide another source?"

Source NO1: "..If you look at the caste, we come from a warrior caste in Pakistan you know, they call them Rajpoot.."

Source NO2: "..My family comes from a warrior clan background, the Rajput tribe from the Punjab.." — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTJKL12035 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Spelling Error
Please fix the spelling error in Charitable and community work section earthquake is spelled earthqyuake. Thanks.
 * Done --Tikiwont (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Lamont peterson (no contest)
What source says the bout was changed to a No Contest??? - Mcanmoocanu 22:56, 01 July 2012 (UTC_

I think it is disengenous to cite Amir's Janjua origins as royal, martial and warrior. Questions arise as to which royalty they belong to, how martial they were/are and where did they rule? Given that other tribes, designated as martial by the imperial British Raj had their own princely states e.g. the Sikhs, Gurkhas, Rajputs and various Pashtun dominated tribal areas the Janjuas did not have their own state other than their own villages which was common for most communities in India. These epithets seem to originate from another Wikipedia article on Janjuas which seems to have grandiose and inflated history for this group whereas the other Rajput tribes with real, not imagined, history and ruled in East Panjab, Rajputana and other parts of India till the 1960's. Janjuas in India are a cultivator caste by the way. WikhiSikhi (talk) 20:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Nationality.
There seems to be some disagreement in regards to Amir Khan's nationality at the moment, it keeps being switched from British to British Pakistani and so on. According to WP:OPENPARA, we do not put any emphases on ethnicity in the lead section unless it is an important part of why this person is notable in one way or the other (i.e. George Takei for example). I cannot see the importance of Khan's Pakistani heritage warranting a mention in the lead section as he is notable in his field as a British Boxer only. He was born in Britain, Fights for Britain, and has British citizenship. A user who has been responsible for a slow-moving edit war stated that Khan publicly identifies as British-Pakistani. However, if this is the case it will need a source, and if they can provide a reliable one I would be more than happy to see him described as British-Pakistani in the lead as personal identification is important. In all honesty, I've heard Khan talking about his Muslim faith a lot more than his Pakistani heritage...--Τασουλα (talk) 16:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The lead contains his nationality (see Opening paragraph at Manual of Style/Biographies) hence we should use British. There is no British Pakistani nationality.  His ethnicity belongs elsewhere. Mr Stephen (talk) 17:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability - but we have a habit of including personal preferences as well. Just throwing it out there. But there's no issue because as there's nothing to back this up anyway. (and I take it you mean by no British-Pakistani nationality in the sense that Pakistan does not allow dual citizenship? Anyway this is pretty much irrelevant to Khan) --Τασουλα (talk) 17:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have also requested page-protection because the constant unexplained changes in regards to his nationality/win-loss ration occurring. It's getting a little annoying now.--Τασουλα (talk) 17:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed.. the current version is correct and it should not be changed to include ethnicity in the opening sentence. Ethnicity might be worth including if that was the primary reason for his notability, but clearly its sporting ability rather than ethnicity in this case. BritishWatcher (talk) 18:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

In the section Vs Garcia
Article claims that when Garcia knocked Khan to the canvas it was only the second time in his career. His bout against Limond he was knocked down, tried to blame a push but stood up just before 10 to avoid the count. Also he was KO'd properly by Prescott, and was put on the floor twice within 90 seconds of that match up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.133.0.13 (talk) 13:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Stance    Orthodox

Amir Khan is Muslim not Orthodox — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.219.96 (talk) 03:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Amateur Boxing record
What is Amir Khan's Amateur boxing record? Please do something about it. Shah-E-Zaman (talk) 10:17, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Untitled
amir khan was brutally knocked out making him retire for 2 years.--94.12.199.192 (talk) 14:53, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move Amir Khan (boxer) to Amir Khan (British boxer) and leave the dab page where it is. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:03, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

– Don't see how anyone else with this name is as notable. Unreal7 (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Amir Khan (boxer) → Amir Khan
 * Amir Khan → Amir Khan (disambiguation)
 * Oppose and move to Amir Khan (British boxer) to dab from Amir Khan (Pakistani boxer). See Banerjee (1980) "During the years 1807-10 Amir Khan gradually made himself the most powerful man in Central India" In ictu oculi (talk) 00:26, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per IIO, it should be called Amir Khan (British boxer), per WP:PRECISE lacking precision as there are multiple articles on boxers. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 14:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Otherwise we approach the realms of Anglocentricity. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose He's not the primary topic and the current setup allows users to easily spot incorrect incoming links to the Amir Khan disambig page. Support move to Amir Khan (British boxer) too.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:39, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.