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Orphaned references in Amnesiac (album)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Amnesiac (album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "KENT": From OK Computer:  From Radiohead:  From Colin Greenwood:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:30, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Collectors Edition
There's a 2 disc Collectors Edition of Amnesiac [ http://www.amazon.com/Amnesiac-Collectors-Edition-Radiohead/dp/B002BF96IY available], with 15 extra tracks on the second CD. I'd add it to the article myself but I don't know the standard format. nagualdesign (talk) 20:59, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * This should be added, yeah. Try copying/rewriting the text used on the OKC/HTTT pages. I should have done it but for some reason I haven't got round to it (same goes for rewriting the reaction section). Popcornduff (talk) 18:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * This has now been added. We could do with some stuff on charts/commercial performance if anyone's up to it.Popcornduff (talk) 14:21, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Nice one. :) Kind regards, nagualdesign (talk) 17:25, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved for astonishment and long-term significance, but it was close call. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:34, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Amnesiac → Amnesiac (album) — the primary use and most prominent educational use of this is a person suffering from amnesia, so it should redirect there. A hatnote can be added to amnesia to cover the album. 70.24.251.71 (talk) 08:31, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.


 * Oppose as unnecessary precision. There is no confict between article titles and no evidence that most people searching for or linking to "Amnesiac" (as opposed to "amnesia") are expecting something other than the popular album - this article has a couple hundred incoming links and had 26,000 views last month, which is in line with or less than other Radiohead albums, indicating most readers are not landing here by mistake. Any possible confusion is easily handled by the hatnote in place. Station1 (talk) 09:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support as per the nominator. The concept of amnesiac will continue its significance, while as time goes on the album will fade in importance. I barely resist the urge to make some pun about its being forgotten. Many of the incoming links are via Template:Radiohead, which can easily be changed. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 00:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support – Considering the principle of least astonishment, "amnesiac" should point to the eponymous meaning, not the derived. Re the unnecessary precision argument, what WP:PRECISE actually says is, "when a topic's... name... is ambiguous... and... not primary, that name cannot be used and so must be disambiguated." In a worldwide context, I would think that the condition would be the primary meaning, but certainly not the artwork title, so the artwork title should be disambiguated. ENeville (talk) 17:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

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"Like Spinning Plates" and "You And Whose Army"
I removed the wiki-internal link for "Like Spinning Plates", because clicking it simply returns the viewer to the article for Amnesiac. However I'd like to note here that I think "Like Spinning Plates" deserves its own page, as it has a pretty unique structure. I don't actually know how to do that (since it automatically redirects), so I just thought I'd note it here. 76.167.253.199 (talk) 07:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

"You And Whose Army" is a classic and fan favorite and receives enough attention from fans where I'm sure they'd pick it as the most deserving non single from Amnesiac to have an article.


 * Neither song deserves its own page as they don't meet notability requirements. They weren't singles and haven't received enough attention from reputable sources to otherwise to be significant. If you want to create a page for either song, you must provide trustworthy citations demonstrating their notability. Popcornduff (talk) 17:19, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

8 Outtakes
Where did the specific page for this EP go? Granted it was basically only released to radio stations and is so rare it is practically non-existent (no copies on ebay, for example), but it a least deserves a mention under 'B sides'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.31.70 (talk) 21:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Grammatical edits, vague statements removed, prose improved
Since GeneralCheese marked my edits as vandalism, I thought I'd create this section to point a few things out:
 * (i) There are two sections entitled "Reception", both focusing on the same aspect of the album in question. Only one is needed.
 * (ii) The sentence: "Like Spinning Plates" was particularly noted for being a departure from the song's studio version, makes no mention of who noted it. I at least now show how it's different and provide a link to the single.
 * (iii) The following is not neutral, lacks citations and includes what is possibly original research: While Kid A garnered much critical attention, Amnesiac is sometimes viewed as the less accomplished of the two works. Although the album garnered a generally positive critical reception, it has been criticised for a lack of cohesion. Some critics and fans even refer to this fragmentation as a deliberate device used by Radiohead to escape the formula of their previous work.
 * (iv) The sentence: The album is something of a fan favorite; Amnesiac managed to receive universal acclaim upon release, and was ranked as one of the best albums of the year by countless publications, is a statement concerning critical reception, which is precisely what the statement under the original heading should be about. In other words: repetition. In addition, which fans, whose favourite is it, and where is the citation or poll data?

Christgau reviews
I have started a discussion at Talk:OK Computer regarding the removal of the Christgau review templates. Please discuss the matter there. Papa November (talk) 23:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Modeselektor
Removed the reference about Modeselektor being an inspiration for Thom on Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors. Modeselektor made their first release one year after Amnesiac was released. - ZEROpumpkins (talk) 04:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Comments
why is this labeled art rock and EXPERIMENTAL??? it gives radiohead way to much credit, this is just beats and electro stuff your talkin about, that doesnt make it arty Would a disambiguation notice be in order? With a link to dissociative amnesia? Except that's rather a non-article right now so it may not be worth it -- sannse 15:57 Mar 29, 2003 (UTC)
 * done. Angela 18:13, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)

This is a concept album? What's the concept? Everyking 06:33, 1 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Isn't it obvious? All the songs have the theme "We couldn't fit these on Kid A"....no, seriously, there really isn't one, but some fans have tried to link it up with the Kid A concept. --MockTurtle 23:22, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I removed the concept album bit a little while ago because I don't think there is one. If someone wanted to make a case for it, though, I suppose they could add it back in some form. Everyking 00:02, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Just in regards to Christgau's review: His star system is a bit weird, since it isn't out of 5, and is part of his Letter grading system.-- Weebot

How the hell is this album jazz-inspired? The only slightly jazzy track is the last one. I took that part out.

^ I have no idea when the above comment was made, but it is still wrong. The rhythm section in Pyramid Song, Knives Out and Dollars and Cents (the first two actually being the album's singles) is blatantly jazz-inspired, and You and Whose Army uses a jazz style string bass. The last track on the album (Life in a Glasshouse) is not "slightly jazzy", it is a wholesale appropriation of New Orleans/trad jazz style, actually using well known British jazz players- Radiohead doesn't even PLAY on the track, apart from Thom Yorke singing. Besides, your or my subjective feeling about the album's jazz inspiration or lack thereof would be original research. The album was often noted as being partially jazz inspired in reviews, and this is because the band themselves described jazz, particularly Mingus, as a major influence on songs like Pyramid Song. Certain Mingus songs might not sound much like "jazz" to you either, I'm guessing, like the ones where people sing/shout or there's handclaps (these being the inspiration). It is certainly appropriate under these circumstances for Wikipedia to note the album's otherwise widely noted jazz inspiration, without going to such an extreme as classing its genre as jazz or anything (that would only apply partly to the final track, as you said). 172.144.0.252 13:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone else think hunting bears sounds like the musi on ecco the dolphin(on sega mega drive)?

Some possible additional information for the article: For the Music and Lyrics section:

The second song on Amnesiac, “Pyramid Song”, actually originated in 1999 under the name “Nothing to Fear” during the Tibetan Freedom Festival before the album was even released. This was a track they played live before ever polishing it in the recording studio. The title then changed to “Egyptian Song” and in 2001 became known as “Pyramid Song”. In 2001 Courtney Reimer of MTV News compares this track to The Beatles’ “Yesterday” because of the orchestral element of “Pyramid Song” that features quiet piano chords and similarities to a ballad.

According to writer Allan Cross, the fifth song, “I might be wrong”, is inspired by Thom Yorke’s relationship to Rachel Owens whom he considers an important positive influence in his life. In an Interview given to Cross, Yorke says about Rachel’s inspirations that “The song really comes as much from what Rachel was saying to me, like she does all the time: ‘Be proud of what you’ve done. Don’t look back and just carry on like nothing’s happened. Just let the bad stuff go’.” (cross)

For the Recording section:

A noticeable difference in style achieved by recording some tracks in a more traditional group style compared to the studio recordings on Amnesiac. Bassist Colin Greenwood describes the album as a “50-50, it's got more traditional Radiohead-type songs together with more experimental, non-lyrical based instrumental-type stuff as well, and it works as a record in its entirety, which is what we care about. We didn't want to do a double album, with stuff from today as well, because it would have been sort of the boring prog-double album." (Schumacher-Rasmussen)

For a promotion section:

Following Radiohead’s own trend of embracing the digital format of music a program called Active Buddy was introduced to the public at the same time of Amnesiac’s release. Active Buddy            delivers band content like music, videos, and exclusive tracks. A capitol Records spokesperson said people would “be able to hear the whole album, download exclusive tracks, watch videos." (Reimer)