Talk:Amon Amarth/Archive 1

Lyrics
Why can't i find lyrics for Thor Arise anywhere? - Ultre


 * Because the band has not disclosed them, so no one knows them. Mushroom (Talk) 14:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ack... and i failed miserably at deciphering them myself. Ultre 14:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * They seem to have had the lyrics taken down from several sites as well, so I'm assuming they would reques them taken down from here too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Omicron91 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

David Banis says they are viking death metal. Melodic death metal should not be a genre, it should only be used to characterize a death metal band. For example there are some black metal bands that are very melodic and some that are not, but melodic black metal should not be a genre to describe the ones that are melodic. The same is true for death metal. And times change, Amon Amarth has revamped viking metal into its own. This band is good enough at what it does to achieve that. No one else sounds like them. And no one should try to.


 * At this interview: http://www.themetalweb.com/amonamarthinterview.html, Johan states that Amon Amarth is a death metal band.

"Dawn/The Metal Web!: To set the record straight, how would you categorize "AMON AMARTH" musically? I’ve heard so many labels being put on the music from Death metal to Viking metal. Who would know better than the band themselves? (Laughs)

Johan Hegg: We play Death Metal. We write about Vikings so therefor some refer us to Viking metal, but I have no idea what that is. I can't imagine the Viking’s veer into metal at all except on the swords and stuff. And musically, I guess they only played these strange lip instruments and some bongos or whatever." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.82.68.208 (talk) 23:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

Members
Why are they listed two times? --Dharion 08:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I highly believe that Amon Amarth should be noted as Gods among men! Though that may slightly be a little fan P.O.V. :D

Genre
Calling Amon Amarth a viking metal band is incorrect. Although the lyrical content often involves Vikings, calling Amon Amarth viking metal would suggest that they are black metal instrumentally, while actually they are pure melodic death metal. I changed the description of the group from "viking metal/melodic death metal" to "melodic death metal with viking metal lyrics".

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 * i agree. Amon Amarth do not play "Viking Metal" as it's meant to be. 84.170.196.152 01:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Viking metal is not just a part of black metal. Viking can also be death, melodeath, ect. +Johnson 06:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with those who would rather classify Amon Amarth as melodeath for the purposes of this article. While they do play music with viking themes, I've always seen viking metal described better as an off-shoot of black metal. Encyclopedia Metallum recognizes the viking metal genre, and lists Amon Amarth as melodeath. I won't revert the article, but I would like to see some change happen eventually. Gmrx 15:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * They should still be considered as Viking metal, since there live shows include the vocalist/singer drinking from a viking horn. Viking influences are obvious.  Gronkmeister | Talk /Contrib 14:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Definately Melodeath with Viking influences.

One of the best bands around though, no matter what the genre

Well, i agree music is very important but then it is equally necessary to classify them accordingly, Viking Metal IMO is the theme not a genre, to me Amon Amarth is a Melodic Death Metal band from Sweden which churned out some really different and wonderful bands which belong to Melo DM, honestly tagging them Viking in my opinion is not entirely right.


 * Please learn how to use talk pages. Out of place, and most posts unsigned. Fixed. - -  ' twsx 'talk'cont'  22:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about "melodic death metal" I would argue that they are more of a Melodic Black Metal band, their style seems to fit far more with black metal than death metal. Shimbozy 18:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe the biggest issue with Amon Amarth is they cannot fit into one category, similar to many other bands, although Viking Metal has truly expanded from its original defintiion as Black Metal with Viking influenced lyrics more or less, they have definately taken the genre and created a major dispute among people because of the fact that they not only fit into the genre of Viking Metal more than most other bands, but that they have also taken the genre and made it into their own, they classify themselves as Viking Metal on their website, which we know cannot always be true, just because your occasional metal magazine throws Linkin Park in there, doesn't make it so. If you read into the Wiki Article on Viking Metal you realize that whoever wrote it, really did have a more today intake on it, saying that the genre expanded from originally just Black Metal to other genres, in this case, Death Metal or Melodic Death Metal, but in the long run, it really shouldn't hurt to classify them as Metal, Melodic Death Metal, and Viking Metal.
 * SanctusAbMortis 02:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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Expansion request
Could someone with an extensive knowledge of the band please increase this article?@ Judging by the scale of their notability in the musical world, this article should really be much bigger. I'd do it myself, but I have homework to do. :) Arkyopterix 21:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

move page
i've started a discussion on moving this page and Amon Amarth on the amon amarth talk page. if you have anything to say, say it here: amon amarth discussion ...Patrick (talk, cntrb.) 03:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit War: Dear Twsx and Dear Scipo,
Dear Twsx and Dear Scipo, May I remind you both not to get into an edit war, it's only a comma!! Please both of you Have a Nice cup of Tea and Sit Down The guidelines on the template page do not specify, however in the example on the template page shows the genres to be separated by commas and are all on the same line. PhilB  ~ T/C 20:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the invitation, but what do you want me to do here? Policy does not rule, but support commas and no linebreaks, so i fix infoboxes accordingly whenever i get across one of them. I am not aware of any edit war. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 21:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but User:Scipo appears to be undoing any number of your edits, it appears that you are right according to policy, but see his edit list, he is going through all the articles containing the music infobox and changing them to line breaks. PhilB   ~ T/C 21:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC) p.s. I hope I am making sense!


 * I am aware. Where do i fit in? (do not get me wrong, i am not nerved by you or this talk here, i am just trying to understand) ~ | twsx | talkcont | 21:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Two people continually undoing each others edits is called an edit war and is completley usless and time consuming
 * You keep doing the right thing; correcting infoboxes (on numerous articles) by deleting the line break and Scipo keeps undoing them,
 * However I think that (in accordance with WP:MUSTARD) the 'v' should be capitalized.
 * I was willing to discus first before asking for any administrator action, I propose getting administrator intervention while Request for Comment (which you posted) is in progress.
 * p.s. I am not very experienced on wikipedia, so I hope that I am doing the right thing! PhilB   ~ T/C 21:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

For the last time, User Twsx edits are unnessary dur to the fact that there is NO OFFICAL FORMAT. All he is doing is starting an edit war over a rule that dosn't exist. Scipo 23:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I was about to make a point about your statement, but you kind of made it yourself.. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 00:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Continued edit warring by User:Twsx
This user has continued to war on this page, changing line breaks to comma breaks in the infobox genre section. Wikipedia is built on consensus, yet it seems the user is ignoring the fact that he/ she is the only one who wants comma breaks and obviously has an agenda.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Many users, such as myself, User:Kameejl, User:CircafuciX and others have continually tried to keep the article in the correct condition, yet Twsx has seen it fit to continually revert at every turn.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You are wrong about pretty much everything you said in those two comments. Such harassment, accusing someone of breaking a policy one does now even seem to understand. Oh I feel so hurt. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 19:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You were warned before by another user, Twsx, see previous section. Maybe you should take it into account. Kameejl (Talk) 20:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, he's been warned a few times.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 23:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * With this one, twice actually. Both times without any reasoning, so I could gladly, or actually didn't have any other option but to ignore them. PS: You, Navnlos, might want to read WP:INDENT. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 23:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Videography
I don´t understand why Death in Fire, Pursuit of Vikings and Runes to my memory, which are music videos for songs, are listed in the same paragraph (called Videography) with Wrath of the norsemen, which is a triple DVD set that should be changed

I agree on what has been said.

Genre Dispute
I think it can be agreed upon that Melodic Death Metal / Viking Metal should be a good enough genre selected. Now lets just work on making the page more thorough. :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SanctusAbMortis (talk • contribs) 09:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

viking metal is a genre that only concerns lyrics. The tag that is now up is unprofessional and ingoring logic. Scipo 23:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what you think, but the consensus previous discussions have brought up. Edits reverted. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 23:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Where, prey tell are these discussions. And no it is not my opinion, it's strait from the wikipedia article on Viking metal Scipo 02:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Viking metal is not just a genre that concerns lyrics. Look at (and listen to) bands such as Ensiferum, later Bathory, Tyr, etc. and you will see that viking metal is a distinctive genre of sound, not just lyrics.  I agree, though, that you could argue that with Amon Amarth, as they do not play viking metal at all.  For them it is just a lyrical genre.  They play melodic death.  Period.  But that doesn't make viking metal a lyrical genre.  If you listen to any of the bands I mentioned beforehand you will hear a very distinctive sound.  For one the use of the "galloping" method in guitars is almost always used.  Clean vocals to rough almost melodeath vocals are usually used.  The sound is what could be considered "epic".  Keyboards are usually used.  Ambience and other sounds are also usually used to remind someone of a certain "atmosphere" associated with that time period (viking time!).  There's other things, too.  It is its owbn genre to be sure, though.  Amon Amarth just happens to talk about vikings and they do use some of the "feel" that other viking metal bands do.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 21:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you maybe consider doing some work on the Viking metal page then? As it stands now, it says that Viking metal is merely a lyrical genre. --Managerpants (talk) 16:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, but I believe it already mentions in the article the debate over the genre being a lurical or stand alone genre. Anyways, I believe it is a real genre, having listened to many viking metal bands, with a distinct sound.  However, I'd hardly call AA viking metal.  They're melodic death metal, with viking-inspired imagery, lyrics, etc.  They do have a slightly different sound than most melodeath bands, though (a little more "epic" sound on their guitars), and because of the band being so pervasively called viking metal, I would just leave it as it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Navnløs (talk • contribs)

An ancient sign of coming storm lyrics
On a few lyrics sites, the lyrics for an ancient sign of coming storm are preceeded by the following text: "Där tog en nordlig vind skeppet, så att kungen ombord fördes med till strid mot två kungar De djärva kungarna Hälsade med pilskott Ordlöst i striden. Sköldarnas buller räckte."

Where do these words appear in the song, I can't hear any lyrics before "blood red bows plough the waves"

Also, what do the words mean?

It is a prelude to the song, not actual lyrics. As for translating, i never like to because there are quite a few false cognates between Norwegian and Swedish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.176.38.90 (talk • contribs).

Disambiguation
I think that when you type in "Amon Amarth" it should go to the Tolkien page for Orodruin, not to the band page. Amon Amarth is far more widely known in the Tolkien sense. I propose that "Amon Amarth" should be directed to Odoruin, and link to the band's page should be added from the Odoruin page.JanderVK


 * The above posting is false; You are mistaken. The band is widely famous in the rock music genre, while most people know mount doom as, well, mount doom. Also, while google results are no reliable source, searching for "amon amarth" there still is no result relating to mount doom within the first 20 pages. The change made a couple of weeks ago is perfeclty justified. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 13:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree as well. Most people looking for the Tolkien page would type "Mount Doom" as their initial search. I don't picture anybody searching for "Amon Amarth" to find this. -- MisterHand 13:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Lets weigh the number of Tolkien fans (considering fans since/after 1937, 1960's, and immensely gained fans post-LOTR movies) to Amon Amarth fans. You do the math. "Widely famous" is Madonna, not Amon Amarth. Even than, Madonna goes to a disambiguation page due to historical uses of the name. Yes, Mount Doom is the most popular name used, but it also redirects to the lesser used name Orodruin. Anyhow, Amon Amarth is a Tolkien name, and originates from his books. That alone should merit that it should be directed to the Tolkien page of Orudruin first and foremost. Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge fan of the band, but this just sounds like fan POV to me... JanderVK


 * You claim the interpretation of the word for mount doom is more present to the public discourse than the band, yet you have not one argument. Work on that, i guess everybody here can be convinced of your point of view. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 06:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

You're supposed to put FOUR "~" to sign your post. Good job at failing. 72.39.159.155 04:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Can only add that "Amon Amarth" is mentioned only once or twice within JRRT's books. Current dispositions is perfectly justified. Súrendil 08:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Amon Amarth is the very uncommon name for Mount Doom. Keep it as it is Magicana 06:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Amon Amarth has practically no relevance at all to Tolkien. It is mentioned just briefly in the books and has no real significance. As already mentioned, go search for Amon Amarth in the worlds most popular search engine, Google.com. There are no references to Tolkien for at least 20 pages. Amon Amarth the band have sold hundreds of thousands of albums, have been on a world tour, are signed to the very popular Metal Blade record company, and have a contract for 3 more albums. Huge band with a huge fan base. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.229.70 (talk • contribs)

Amon Amarth is a band. Mount Doom is a place. Tq6993 (talk) 17:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Oden's Gold
I think I remember a myspace bulletin from Amon Amarth talking about them planning to go into the studio later this year to record a new album. What interested me there was that (I think) it said "with a gold album under their belt" or something similar to that. With that one would assume that either "With Oden on our Side" or one of their previous albums went gold, but as far as I have seen none of their albums have any information about chart rankings, so this is making me wonder. Am I just imagining things or is this information just missing from wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.34.206 (talk • contribs)
 * The video Wrath of Norsemen went Gold in the U.S.

Johan Hegg page?
I just noticed that searching for "Johan Hegg" redirects to the Amon Amarth page. That's the first time I've seen an artist's name redirect to the band he's in. Virtually every other member of every other band has their own page. Also, if "Johan Hegg" links to this page, someone should remove the link to "Johan Hegg" in the band members' section. It's just redundant. -76.16.71.212 (talk) 19:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, I just found out that Johan Söderberg's link in the band members' section links to the wrong Johan Söderberg. It links to this weird Swedish film director, not Amon Amarth's guitarist. -76.16.71.212 (talk) 20:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

actually i have seen other band members who redirect to the band that they are in, its mostly do to wikipedia's ridiculous guidline for creating an article. my best guess is that there is not enough sources for there to be a well sourced article for Johan Hegg. also wikipedia search: Max Gree (musician, robert ortiz, bryan money, or any of the members of the band Tickle ME Pink. Tq6993 (talk) 17:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Viking Metal
Amon Amarth is NOT viking metal, that link that is beside Viking metal in the genres part says nothing about them being Viking metal, it only says that they base most of thier songs on Vikings and Norse Mythology. Viking metal is bands like Enslaved, and Bathory. Amon Amarth are just a Viking-themed Melodic Death metal band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.177.74 (talk) 22:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Scroll up and read the "Genre Dispute" section. 70.126.107.48 (talk) 00:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)