Talk:Amon Düül

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According to various accounts, Düül is variously a Turkish mythical figure, or a Turkish word for "moon". However, I can't find any evidence for this, nor any cites about what "Düül" actually means. Can anyone offer any enlightenment, preferably with a cite? -- Karada 07:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Mwaahaha well if you're Irish this is all very amusing. T'aman dieul, is a curse literally meaning Your soul to the Devil. No Turkish dudes involved. It would sound exactly like Amon Duul as the T wouldn't be heard. Do I win a prize, maybe a sticker in the shape of a golden star. --83.70.241.121 14:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

A reference to the origin of the name can be found in the (German) sleeve notes to a compilation album released on the Ohr label in the early 70s: this was either 'Ohrenschmaus' or 'Mittens ins Ohr', both of which featured tracks by Amon Duul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.92.98 (talk) 16:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Soul in Irish is "anam" and not "aman", and aside from this mistake the claim Amon Düül has anything to do with Irish seems like a massive leap to me...

Seperate articles for the two different bands?
I think this could be a feasible idea... --HisSpaceResearch 01:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Amon Düül and Amon Düül II are radically different bands, both in sound and personnel. They are of course intimately related, but this is kind of like having the same article for Rage against the machine and Audioslave. Kruka 12:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Let's split it. Kaldari 17:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * To be honest I don't know enough about either band to be able to do this.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 17:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I split off Amon Düül II into a separate article. We should also probably split Amon Düül UK off as well. Please feel free to clean up the mess I've left :P Kaldari (talk) 00:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This article IS a mess, no doubt about it. It's confusing. I don't know that much about Amon Düül and its splinter groups, so I can't help that much. I was going to create a seperate article about Amon Düül UK, but decided not to do so as they don't even have a standalone AMG entry... although having said that, User:Chubbles told me that if a group, especially a non-US group, doesn't have an AMG entry, that doesn't make the group non-notable. Actually, I will create a seperate article.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 15:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea to me. Kaldari (talk) 15:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Amon Düül UK created.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 15:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Die Lösung
Got a question about Die Lösung - there's some ambiguity as to whether it's by Amon Düül UK or Amon Düül II.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 15:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely looks like an Amon Düül UK rather than Amon Düül II album. Check out the line up. Kaldari (talk) 22:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Die Losung is definitely by Amon Duul UK, although it featured Weinzierl.

Hawk meets Penguin however, although attributed to AD (UK) is arguably an AD 2 album in some respects, although not in any way endorsed by the band. Dave Anderson and Weinzierl overdubbed some left-over tracks recorded by AD 2. (Source, an interview ith Weinzierl, which can be seen at http://www.thing.de/delektro/artikel/eng/ad2/ad-yeti-yogi.html) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.92.98 (talk) 16:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

About the name of "Amon Düül I"
AFAIK the proper name of the original band is just "Amon Düül", not "Amon Düül I". The number can be used in informal situations to avoid confusions, but I think than an encyclopedic article should use the real name of the band. In fact, I haven't seen any release under the name "Amon Düül I". When "Amon Düül II" was created, the rest of the band retained the original name and didn't add the "I". --SugarKane 00:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The only time I have ever seen the name "Amon Düül I" used is on the liner notes to the UK budget, Sunset label reissue of "Phallus Dei" which is itself a lift from an essay called "White Helmet Fuzz Star" (more detail than that, I cannot say).

John Weinzierl says that there never was an Amon Duul 1. (Source http://www.furious.com/perfect/amonduulII.html )

In an interview in The Wire, Chris Karrer referred to a proto-Duul as 'Amon Duul 0'; it consisted of himself, Christian Burchard (later of Embryo) and a couple of others, and mentioned that the tapes of theat formation were still extant. I'll try to find the correct reference. During another interview, he said that the band was originally himself, Peter Leopold, Lother Meid and Rainer Bauer. (Source http://www.thing.de/delektro/artikel/eng/ad2/ad-yeti-yogi.html)

The commune Amon Duul was unnumbered: the tendency to call the original band Amon Duul 1 appears to have been started by people trying to differentiate between Amon Duul the band/commune and Amon Duul as a shorthand for Amon Duul II.

As we all seem to agree that the name of the band was just Amon Düül, I renamed all occurrences in the page, and also added a short comment at the beginning explaining that the band is sometimes referred to as Amon Düül I to avoid confusion with their former fellows. --SugarKane (talk) 01:11, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

About the name of "Amon Düül I" (2)
When I asked an Irani friend in college about the name Amon Duul, he (rather embarrassed) said that "duul" was a slang word for penis. This makes some sense in that the band name is essentially the same as that of the first album.

What?????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.194.57.242 (talk) 10:07, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

what would improve this page
are photos of either band. there have to be some which are public domain... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.213.237 (talk) 03:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Can we remove all the fuzzy POV nonsense from this page?
What is a sentence like "Such a loose methodology was unavoidably hit or miss and led to frequent disruptive personnel changes." doing here on Wikipedia? The article is full of this sort of wild postulation, which is fine on the German wiki but has no place on the English wiki. Back these claims up with citations please, or else they all have to go!

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Origin of Düül
"Düül has been cited as a character from Turkish fiction. Düül has been cited as a character from Turkish fiction. "

I deleted this, on the Allmusic pages I've found nothing similar, probably this is a fake resourcing, or the Allmusic text changed since the time of resourcing. As I know, however, Düül means "Moon" in türkish, at least the german Wikipedia writes that. Gubbubu 11:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I asked some people on Huwiki here and they cited some other sources. It seems to me the deleted sentence has no basis at all, the word is not turkish but persian, uygur, kirgiz or what, and means no moon, but drum. But no sources available are fullíy reliable, unfortunately. So this question is opened yet. Gubbubu 14:05, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

With thanks to User:Malatinszky who found a resource, I corrected this part. Gubbubu 18:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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Photo
The photo currently in the infobox is of Amon Düül II. If there are no freely available photos of the original commune or the so-called Amon Düül I, the current picture should at least be labeled more clearly. Jah77 (talk) 16:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In fact, it might be a good idea to move the photo to the Amon Düül II article, which currently doesn't have a photo at all, but I have no experience with pictures on Wikipedia. Jah77 (talk) 16:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Chris Karrer
The Chris Karrer article says he was a founding member of Amon Düül and also refers to that band’s discography as part of his. But this article does not mention him as a band member etc. Boscaswell   talk  12:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The Chris Karrer article is mistaken. Karrer was a founding member of the original Amon Düül commune, but the recordings were made after Amon Düül II had split off from it. I recall reading an interview where Karrer explicitly denied any involvement with the albums released under the moniker of Amon Düül (without a numeral). Jah77 (talk) 09:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)