Talk:Amon Tobin/GA1

GA Review
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I will be reviewing this article. Initially, it looks good already. Just some prose and linking issues and I haven't gone over the references yet, but it doesn't look like there's too much to be done. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  21:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * See my comments in the Prose section below.
 * There is a lot of Wikilinking in the article. A lot of the terms linked do not necessarily need to be.
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * See my comments in the References section below.
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * The Chaos Theory - Splinter Cell 3 Soundtrack image needs a fair-use rationale for this article.
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * The review is complete. This article will be placed on hold for seven days. If you need more time, let me know. I know that I'm strict on the referencing, but I assure you that it's necessary, especially with BLPs. Feel free to leave me a message if you have questions/complaints/comments. I made a few minor revisions to the article so that they wouldn't have to be listed here. Good luck on improving the article! – Ms. Sarita  Confer  04:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I took care of what I could. The rest is up to other editors. The seven days is almost up. I am going to extend the hold for five more days (until December 9, 2008) but I will not fail the article as long as improvements are being made. The references are the most important, so please take care of those as soon as possible. And please communicate with me. If you need more time, all you have to do is ask. Good luck with the rest of the improvements. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  20:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's now December 9 and the improvements for references has barely been touched. Because of WP:BLP, these need to be taken care of. I care more about the references than I do about the prose and Wikilinking. This article can't stay on hold forever. I am giving two more days (a total of two weeks) for someone to take care of the references. After that, unfortunately, I will have to fail the article. If this occurs, you are more than welcome to renominate it after these things have been taken care of and then leave me a note so I can review it again (that way, it's not waiting another month for someone else to review it). Let me know... – Ms. Sarita  Confer  17:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention that the non-free use rationale for the cover art of the Chaos Theory - Splinter Cell 3 soundtrack is also of utmost importance. This needs to be taken care of as well before I would pass the article. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  17:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The article looks good. I'm going to pass the article, but one thing that you two should look at is WP:NPOV. I don't think that everyone likes Tobin's music and that should be reflected in the article. But I don't feel the article wildly violates that policy as of now. However, I would work on that before nominating it for FA status, if that is being considered. Good job, both of you. I admire your hard work on this article and appreciate your patience. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions/complaints. Take care. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  03:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for the real hard work (I'm mostly just a janitor, for this article). I also passed along a barnstar to Sebquantic, wherever he or she may be, for all of the rewrite they undertook at User:Sebquantic/Sandbox in October. See you all around :) -- Quiddity (talk) 06:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention that the non-free use rationale for the cover art of the Chaos Theory - Splinter Cell 3 soundtrack is also of utmost importance. This needs to be taken care of as well before I would pass the article. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  17:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The article looks good. I'm going to pass the article, but one thing that you two should look at is WP:NPOV. I don't think that everyone likes Tobin's music and that should be reflected in the article. But I don't feel the article wildly violates that policy as of now. However, I would work on that before nominating it for FA status, if that is being considered. Good job, both of you. I admire your hard work on this article and appreciate your patience. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions/complaints. Take care. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  03:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for the real hard work (I'm mostly just a janitor, for this article). I also passed along a barnstar to Sebquantic, wherever he or she may be, for all of the rewrite they undertook at User:Sebquantic/Sandbox in October. See you all around :) -- Quiddity (talk) 06:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for the real hard work (I'm mostly just a janitor, for this article). I also passed along a barnstar to Sebquantic, wherever he or she may be, for all of the rewrite they undertook at User:Sebquantic/Sandbox in October. See you all around :) -- Quiddity (talk) 06:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Prose
Lead


 * In his name, the reference after the first sentence displays an accent above the 'u' in "Araujo". What is the reasoning behind not putting this accent in?
 * His date of birth should be in this section: Amon Adonai Santos de Araujo Tobin (born February 7, 1972), better known as Amon Tobin...

Early career (1995—1997)


 * AllMusic.com, in a review written after Tobin had obtained more critical success, called them "head-turning". This sentence seems a bit awkward. What about, A review written by Allmusic, after Tobin had obtained more critical success, said that the remixes were "head-turning".
 * The larger Ninja Tune record label was growing in the United Kingdom at that time... Another awkward sentence for me. I would say, The larger Ninja Tune record label had been growing in the United Kingdom at the time...

Defining albums (1997—2002)


 * This section seems relatively short compared to the other sections. Are there any chances of expanding it?
 * Don't worry about this, unless you actually want to expand it. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  01:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Montreal (2002—Present)


 * His current residence as of 2008... I would probably say, As of 2008... The original sentence could be considered dated.
 * In 2008, Tobin announced he was working on a new video games soundtrack... Is this possibly the Need for Speed: Undercover soundtrack? Maybe this should be updated since the game has been released.
 * Don't worry about this either. I don't think this sentence is talking about the Need for Speed soundtrack, but if it is, the video game should be mentioned and cited. Either way, this entire sentence needs a citation. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  01:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Musical style and influences


 * ...writing about his use of the technique, said that he has ... It should be ...wrote about his use of this technique, saying that Tobin has...
 * ...began his gradual shift away... It should be ...began the gradual shift away...

Live performances


 * Not everyone knows who Destiny's Child was. Perhaps just a couple of descriptive words here, like "...R&B group Destiny's Child."

Miscellaneous fixes
I'm actually fine with how it is right now, I don't really see anywhere else the Luxemburg image could go in the article. Also, I uploading a short sample of Back From Space that I added to the article. Rtyq2 (talk) 23:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The image Image:Amon Tobin Ososphère 29-09-2006.jpg from commons is currently unused.
 * I'm thinking replace the image in the "Live performances" section? This image seems to be more clear whereas the one already in the article doesn't have much clarity. What do you two think? – Ms. Sarita  Confer  21:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not both? Rtyq2 (talk) 22:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Uhh...I dunno. I'm not really feeling it. But let's wait and see what Quiddity thinks. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  22:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The other image (Image:Amon tobin luxemburg.jpg) is very, ummm, 'atmospheric'. It could be argued that this provides implicit information (?), but it doesn't offer as much obvious detail as the Ososphere shot. Having 3 photos of Amon wearing a hat definitely establishes a trend, though! I'd favor leading that "Live performances" section with the Ososphere shot, and placing the Luxemburg shot elsewhere in the article, if you can determine where else to fit it in... -- Quiddity (talk) 22:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am in agreement with this. Let me know what you two want to do. – Ms. Sarita  Confer  22:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, how about getting the GA review finished so I can pass the article. It's so close! ;-) – Ms. Sarita  Confer  23:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Part of me almost wants to just remove the last 2 poorly sourced sentences, but I'm doubtful that they aren't true. I'm still searching some articles and references, but I don't see much that supports them. If you guys don't see anything, just remove them? Rtyq2 (talk) 00:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can't find any sources supporting these statements, they have to be removed, unfortunately (especially when dealing with a quote). WP:BLP is pretty strict... – Ms. Sarita  Confer  01:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, go ahead and make it GA. Rtyq2 (talk) 02:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Early career (1995—1997)


 * "Rio de Janeiro, Brazil", "London", "Brighton, England", and "Ninja Tune" are already linked in the lead section.
 * I don't really feel like "record label" needs to be Wikilinked. What do you think?
 * Does "cover art" really need to be Wikilinked?

Defining albums (1997–2002)


 * The album Supermodified needs to be mentioned.

Montreal (2002—Present)


 * In all previous sections, cities and countries have been Wikilinked. But "Montreal, Canada", "San Francisco", and "Seattle" are not linked in this section. It needs to be consistent.
 * Does the word "flutes" need to be Wikilinked?

Musical style and influences


 * "Sampling" is Wikilinked here but not in the lead section. This should be reversed: the word linked in the lead and not linked in this section, or not linked at all, since it is explained.
 * "Jazz" is Wikilinked here but not in "Defining albums (1997—2002)" section. This should also be reversed.
 * "...including motorbikes, tigers, insects..." "Motorbikes" and "tigers" are Wikilinked, but not "insects"?
 * "Bass and drums" is Wikilinked earlier in the article.

Live performaces
 * In almost all previous sections, cities and countries have been Wikilinked. But "Melbourne, Australia" is not linked in this section. It needs to be consistent.

Discography
 * "Solid Steel" already Wikilinked in a previous section.