Talk:Ampang and Sri Petaling lines

First open
Is it 16 December 1996 (in the info box) or 16 December 1995 (in the introduction)? --208.87.233.201 (talk) 02:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Merge with Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line
The Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line of the Kuala Lumpur rail transit network are previously known as the STAR Line. The two lines share a common ticketing and operating system, trains and tracks between the Sentul Timur Station and Chan Sow Lin Station. Besides, a significant part of the two articles are exact copies of each other. For the article Kuala Lumpur Star Light Rail Transit, it is the former name of the two LRT lines, and should be merged with the two article as well. I propose that the three articles (Ampang Line, Sri Petaling Line and Kuala Lumpur Star Light Rail Transit) should be merged into one article titled Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line. -- Joshua  C  hi  e w 03:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Opposed - They are of different entity. Star was part of Ampang and Sri Petaling lines. Now both lines are being noted separately.
 * I think that you might have misunderstood something. When Rapid KL took over the LRT system, STAR LRT was renamed to Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line for the two branches of the system.-- Joshua  C  hi  e w 03:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What I was meant to say is, this is Rapid KL and government's effort for a simpler naming system. Thus it rebrands Star LRT into Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line so that to combine it with Kelana Jaya Line. It is true they is part of the same system, but we should value its separation. if we merge both articles, we have to modify many stuff and it will be messy. We have to modify the link in Rapid KL rail section and also in Public transport page. In the template on both pages, don't they look better in a separate form rather then in a combined forms?
 * We also have to modify the infobox to include "Number of Line" and we have to modify the alignment as well. It will be all so messy.
 * KTM Komuter also have a separate Rawang-Seremban Line and Sentul-Port Klang Line despite also having KTM Komuter article. They use the same ticketing, service, and also share some lines. Do we need to merge these as well? They are perfect in separate articles. So do Ampang and Sri Petaling Lines.
 * Airlines pages for example, will usually left their old name/defunct name under a separate article so that it will be an article about its history. For example Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines and their old name as Malaysia-Singapore Airlines. We should treat this similarly. Just point both of Ampang and Sri Petaling Lines page to Kuala Lumpur Star Light Rail Transit in their history section. --Zack2007 04:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You've got your point, but as the a part of Ampang and Sri Petaling lines articles are exact copies of each other, any updates concerning the "common part" must be update in both articles. As for the links, I think that redirects are good enough to do the jobs.-- Joshua  C  hi  e  w  05:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hence you agree to oppose the merger? Yes, that is true, and I guess the updates has to be put for both pages. However, the stuff unique for one line will be the one that differ. Remember the offshooting of train event? The Ampang Line train was involved, not the Sri Petaling Line train. Zack2007 11:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as the discussion is concerned, I am going to close it and leave it as a status quo. So No Merge

Parking Lots, not free anymore (in most places)
I didn't really keep note of this, but if I am not mistaken, most of the parking lots available in most Ampang Line and the Sri Petaling line Star LRT stations do charge a fee. Possibly RM2.00 per entry a day. This is because there's a company which has taken over the free parking lots. Sorry if I couldn't state the details further, but this is currently happening. I did see the parking lots at Cempaka and Pandan Indah where a fee is needed to park their cars inside the station. Please take note. Thank you. Darrencomp (talk) 15:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Integration and connectivity
The section headed "Connection to other railway systems" begins "Since its launch, the Ampang Line had been intended to include forms of interchangeability with other rail-based systems in the region". Is there any evidence for this statement? My impression on the ground was always that each line was conceived in complete isolation, and only belatedly did the authorities realise that an urban rail network needs to be integrated. A notorious example is the interchange at Masjed Jamek where you have to go out of one station and along the street to get into the other one. Same thing at Hang Tuah with the Monorail. Also different fare structures and (for a long time anyway) no through ticketing. KTM Komuter all different again - each behaving as if the others didn't exist. So unless somebody can provide a citation for this assertion, I am inclined to delete it. - Alarics (talk) 08:19, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Split
Considering that I was the one who started the merge discussion on top, it's ironic that I am now starting a discussion to split this article. At that time, the system was treated and publicised as two lines by the rail operator. Zack2007 made a convincing argument against the merge, and so the articles were kept separate. Sometime later the articles were merged anyway, because RapidKL decided to treat them as one line. Now in the current rail transit map, it's back to two lines again. In addition, as the Sri Petaling Line is planned to be significantly extended, I think it should have its own separate article.-- Joshua Talk to me What I've done? 15:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Ampang Line
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Reference named "LRT": From Rapid Rail:  From List of metro systems:  

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CSR Zhuzhou AMY trains tendered prices
(1) CSR Zhuzhou awarded Ampang Line train contract 10 Apr 2012 says "Lowest bidder CSR Zhuzhou has won a 530m ringgit contract to supply 20 trainsets for the 27 km Ampang Line metro in Kuala Lumpur, which is being extended by 17·7 km to Putra Heights." That's about RM26.5 million per AMY train.

(2) Kuala Lumpur orders CSR Zhuzhou metro trainsets 24 Oct 2014 says "Scheduled to be delivered between May and July 2015, these 30 trainsets worth 1·13bn yuan are in addition to 20 which were ordered in 2012 for delivery from November this year as part of the Ampang Line Extension project, the first section of which is scheduled to open in October 2015."

(3) 'AMY' Unveiled As Prasarana Reaffirms Commitment On Public Transport Thu, 2015-01-29 says "Manufactured by CSR Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive Co Ltd. (CSR ZELC), Amy is one of 50 new LRVs purchased under a contract worth about RM1 billion in a massive effort by Prasarana to further improve public transport services that included extension of the current LRT lines. While 20 units are procured under the Ampang LRT Line Extension Project (LEP), the remaining 30 are purchased to replace the existing fleet of 30 trains that had been used since 1996 during the days of STAR LRT." That's about RM20 million per AMY train.

Oh, can somebody please put above info in appropriate place in main article? TQVM. ;-) sabre23t (talk) 07:10, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

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Change Ampang Line Terminus from Chan Sow Lin to Sentul Timur
Previously, the Sri Petaling Line served the route from Sentul Timur to Putra Heights while the Ampang line was reduced to a branch line between Chan Sow Lin and Ampang. This was because of the upgrading of the signalling systems; the the portion between Chan Sow Lin and Ampang at that time have yet to be upgraded. Now the previous Ampang Line route, from Sentul Timur to Ampang, has been fully restored. The Ampang Line and Sri Petaling now share a common route from Chan Sow Lin to Sentul Timur. Trains travelling from Ampang now travel all the way to Sentul Timur. The northern terminus of the Ampang Line has to be changed from Chan Sow Lin to Sentul Timur and all stations between Chan Sow Lin and Sentul Timur have to be added to the Ampang Lines, together with the station codes corresponding to the Ampang Line. AG1 starts at Sentul Timur and Ampang is AG18. https://www.myrapid.com.my/traveling-with-us/how-to-travel-with-us/rapid-kl/monorail-and-lrts Draco97 10:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Changing the name of the article
The Ampang Line and Sri Petaling Line, though having a shared common route from Chan Sow Lin to Sentul Timur, has long been treated as two separate lines. The line numbers, colours, the transit maps and even station signage and on-board train announcements all show that they are indeed two different lines. Separating the lines into two articles will not be ideal because of the shared history and operations of the lines (rolling stock and routes etc). However, RapidKL has separated the two routes many years back and have disused the common name "Ampang Line" for both train routes. Therefore, the title of the article should now read "Ampang & Sri Petaling Lines" or "Ampang Line & Sri Petaling Line".Draco97 (talk) 15:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. -- Alarics (talk) 19:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with that too. I prefer "Ampang and Sri Petaling Lines" Fikku fiq (talk) 01:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * "Ampang and Sri Petaling lines" without the capped Lines is more appropriate, as in sources and per MOS:CAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 05:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Dicklyon (talk) 05:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)