Talk:Amr ibn Hisham

Hashim or Hisham?

 * I'm guessing it's the former. Can someone who knows more please fix this? Palm_Dogg 09:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

lol, i must have been tired or something... --Striver 14:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Name and Descent
If he is Amr b. Hisham, how can his father be Wail b. Umayya, as the article seems to suggest? Also, if he is Amr, why is it written "amro" in the Arabic script? I am doing some research about this person, and his name was most likely not Amr b. Hisham, rather Amro b. Wail, known as Abu-l-Hakam and he most likely was the father of Hakam and grandfather of Marwan b. Hakam or Marwan I, the Umayyad Caliph.
 * According to Ibn Ishaq (Guillaume's translation, p. 119), his name was Amr ibn Hisham ibn Al-Mughira ibn Abdallah ibn Umar ibn Makhzum. His friends called him Abu'l-Hakam ("Mr Wise") and his enemies called him Abu Jahl ("Mr Stupid"). He could not have been the male-line ancestor of any Umayyad.Petra MacDonald 11:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petra MacDonald (talk • contribs)

Ibn Khallikān records Abu Jahl as the UNCLE of Umar ibn Abi Rabi'ah, not his brother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.76.8.70 (talk) 15:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Year of Birth
I cannot find a year of birth for Abu Jahl, though I shall keep looking. However, I doubt it was as early as 556. That would place his mother's birth around 540 or earlier, and she was still alive (and driving hard bargains in the market) in 645.Petra MacDonald 11:05, 26 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petra MacDonald (talk • contribs)

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Objectivity
The article begins by stating that "His malevolence and enmity..". Whoa. This is a Wikipedia page, not a Muslim jerk page. Just because he was Muhammad's enemy doesn't make him anymore malevolent than any other army leader in history. Seriously, this is ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.64.102.33 (talk) 11:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support that viewpoint. We should try to remove some of the religious propaganda from this page and make it more encyclopedic --Sahir Shah 05:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Needs proper DATES IE: when 570 BC ?
What date??????????? (570 – 13 March 624), Proper dates are required, this is an encyclopedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.192.216 (talk) 19:03, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

brother
Someone born in 568 was the brother of someone born in 644? Seems unlikely. Adoring nanny (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah, based?
Why reading some parts of this feels like the writer actually wanted to make this man an antagonist and proving historical facts with myths.... 2409:4061:4E06:FC62:0:0:E08B:7611 (talk) 03:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)