Talk:Amram Aburbeh

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There is no reason, what so ever to delet the article, since I dominate both langauges, the translation ia accurate. It should be an honor such an article to be in the English version of wikipedia. I'd be open to suggestions of language mistakes corrections or rephrased sentences. But need to emphasize regarding the content and facts, all are well based and documented. Carmel avivi-green (talk) 13:38, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

importance of the article
I think that the article provides a relevant information on one of the important Rabbies at the beggining of the twenty century in Israel. Dr. Jacob Goldberger — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.70.244.38 (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

please keep this article
I believe that this article provides important historical information for all people and I feel that it should definitely be kept on wikipedia. Chana Markus 99.234.158.253 (talk) 18:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * To all the above: it was already decided that the article will be kept, see WP:Articles for deletion/Amram Aburabeh.
 * הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 19:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Spelling
Carmel: As the AFD discussion showed, his last name is transliterated into English in different ways, but is most widely cited as Aburabia. Perhaps you could spend your time more productively ADDING SOURCES to the article so it won't go through another deletion discussion. Yoninah (talk) 12:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

HI, THANK YOU.

A. REGARDING THE FAMILY NAME IT MUST BE WRITTEN THE WAY THE PERSON SPELLED HIMSELF MORE VERSIONS MAYBE ADDED OF COURSE.

B. IN ONE OF THE FIRST VERSIONS OF THE ENG.ENTRY THERE WAS A FULL LIST OF SOURCES WHICH SOMEHOW BY SOMEBODY WAS DELETED. ORIGIN OF THE LIST OF SOURCES IS THE HEB VERSION OF THE ENTRY.

SEE BELOW FURTHER READING SECTION OF THE HEB VRSION INCLUDES BIBLIOGRAPHY A RESPECTFUL LIST. לקריאה נוספת

הקדמה לספרים "נתיבי-עם דרשות" ו"נתיבי-עם", מאת הרב עמרם אבורביע פרק תולדות המחבר, עורכים: בנו גדעון אביבי ומרדכי בוזגלו, פתח תקוה, רחובות, מיתר מהדורות תשס"ג ותשס"ו "תיטואן-ירושלים-פתח תקוה 'נתיבי עם' הרב עמרם אבורביע", צמרת-רבקה אביבי, 'ברית' כתב העת של יהודי מרוקו, אות ברית קודש, עורך אשר כנפו, חוברת 29, עמודים 13-20, אשדוד, קיץ תש"ע 2010. "סמל האהבה היראה והתום", לדמותו של הרב עמרם אבורביע ז"ל מאת אברהם עדס, "במערכה", אדר א' תשכ"ז "יהודי המזרח בארץ ישראל", משה דוד גאון, הוצאת המחבר, התרצ"ח "האירו פני המזרח הלכה והגות אצל חכמי ישראל במזרח התיכון", צבי זהר, תל אביב, תשס"א. "מדינת ישראל והציונות בעיני חכמים ספרדיים-מזרחיים", צבי זהר, בתוך: "שני עברי הגשר - דת ומדינה בראשית דרכה של ישראל", עורכים: מרדכי בר און וצבי צמרת, יד בן צבי, ירושלים, תשס"ב, עמ' 339-335 "המסע לגילוי המנהג הספרדי-ירושלמי: הרב עמרם אבורביע ויצירתו 'נתיבי עם'" צבי זהר, בתוך: "הרב עזיאל ובני זמנו פרקי עיון בהגותם של חכמי המזרח בישראל במאה העשרים" עורך: צבי זהר, בהוצאת הוועד להוצאת כתבי הרב עזיאל זצ"ל, ירושלים, תשס"ט עמ' 120-165 "ש"ס והציונות: ניתוח היסטורי", ד"ר נרי הורוביץ, כיוונים חדשים - כתב עת לציונות וליהדות גיליון 2 הוצאת הסוכנות היהודית לארץ ישראל המחלקה לחינוך ציוני "חכמי המערב בירושלים", הרב שלמה דיין, ירושלים, תשנ"ב, עמ' 390-400 "תעודה לתולדות השד"רים של ועד העדה המערבית בירושלים בתקופת המנדט הבריטי, מטרת שליחותו של השד"ר ציון אוחנא למערב הפנימי -מרוקו", משה עובדיה, 'ברית' כתב העת של יהודי מרוקו, עורך ראשי: אשר כנפו, חוברת 28 עמודים 72-76, אשדוד, תשס"ט 2009 [עריכה]קישורים חיצוניים

הרב ע. אבו רביע, דבר, 21 בדצמבר 1966 - ידיעה על פטירת הרב עמרם אבורביע עמרם אבורביע, ‏נתיבי עם, חלק א, מהדורה ראשונה, תשכ"ד, באתר HebrewBooks עמרם אבורביע, ‏נתיבי עם, חלק ב, מהדורה ראשונה, תשכ"ו, באתר HebrewBooks

(Carmel avivi-green (talk) 16:06, 6 January 2013 (UTC))
 * Since this is the English Wikipedia, a long list of offline sources in Hebrew is not going to help our readers. Yoninah (talk) 16:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

site preservation Or Zaruaa synagogue 3423
Dear editors http://www.jerusalem.muni.il/jer_sys/picture/archiv/bigpic.asp?id=9687&flag=1&ot= The photo caption in Hebrew : Or Zaruaa synagogue, on 3 Refaely street work...site preservation plan 3423 Jerusalem municipality web site in English has section "site preservation" where it is written about plan 3423 http://www.jerusalem.muni.il/jer_main/defaultnew.asp?lng=2� Site Preservation �A description of the main elements of the plan of preserving Jerusalem.��Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, has many sites dedicated to preservation. �Jerusalem, as an historical city, has many different categories of preservation, applying from the Old City and its surroundings, which must be preserved on a universal level, as prescribed by the UN, to protect its world legacy, all the way through to the neighborhoods that were built outside the walls of the Old City that came around at the end of the 19th century, and including the houses built by architects who worked in the city and created the traditional method of construction in Jerusalem.�Any planning institute that ever worked in the city always appreciated the beauty and uniqueness of Jerusalem and all of the acts of preservation served as a basis for developing the city.�The practice of the planning institutes of Jerusalem follows the basic design of the British planners during the Mandate which sets the boundaries for the preservation of the city.�The fundamentals of the preservation can be summed up the contour plan of the city, which is as follows: �1.Preservation of the Old City and its visual form, which is like the jewel of a crown, and the green barrier around it. �2. Preservation of the special topographical structure of Jerusalem by limiting the height of buildings and outlawing construction in valleys. �3. The sky limit limit�4. Preservation of archaeologists' sites and their surroundings�5. Basic stone preservation of rocks made from Jerusalem stone.�6. Preserving the character of the landscape and types of trees�7. Preservation of the character of neighborhoods�8. Preservation of viewing points and their panoramas.�9. Preservation of the legacy of sites. ��Jerusalem has two primary site preservation plans: plan 2097 and plan 3423 that consist of a list of one hundred and fifty sites. These sites were marked following the establishment of the national contour plan of site preservation. �There are also plans of preservation for several neighborhoods, among them: The German Colony, The Greek Colony, Yemin Moshe, Talbiah-Komimiut, Old Katamon, Nachlaot, Zichronot, Nahalat Shiva, and many more.�In order to demonstrate the meaning of the preservation of the neighborhoods and the love of the citizens for them sometimes there is a show called גThe Live Museumג where they have nostalgic shows that tell authentic stories about the areas from back in the day. In the month of Sivan they had these shows in Nachlaot and Nahlat Shiva. People that are interested should turn to the picture archives and look for pictures called The Live Museum in Nahlat Shivah.�� ����In Jerusalem there are about one hundred neighborhoods for preservation, some spread out along big areas, some are buildings and sometimes even just one house.�For those interested we have listed some of the neighborhoods:�Abu Batzal, Abu-Tur, Even Israel, Ohel Moshe, Arnona, Even Joshua, A-Shaich, Ethiopia, Ohel Shlomo, Achva, Bab el Zahara, Bak'ah, Beit Hakerem, Beit Tzaba, Batei Broida, Beit Hanina, Batei Rand, Beit Israel, Batei Munkatsh, Batei Jacobson, Beit David, Batei Nisan Bak, Batei Whitenburg, Batei Habochrim, Batei Ongran, Batei Minsk, Batei Naitin, Batei Hurnstein, Batei Saidof, Geula, Geulim, Kefar Shaגul, The Old City, Har Tzion, Mount of Olives, Mount Scopus, Vadi Joz, Zichron Moshe, Zichron Tuviah, Zichron Joseph, Talbiah, Yemin Moshe, Yegia Kapaiim, Kerem Abraham, Kenesset Yisroel, Kefar Hashiluach, Lifta, The German Colony, The American Colony, The Greek Colony, Mkor Chaגiim, Mkor Baruch, Morasha, Mahane Yehudah, Mishkenot Shaananim, Mugrabim, Mahane Yisroel, Mazkeret Moshe, Machanaiim, Memaila, Manhat, Neveh Betzalel, Nachalat Tzadok, Nahlat Yaakov, Nachlaot, Neveh Shalom, Neveh Shaanan, Nachlat Shimon, Nachlat Achim, Nahlat Shivah, Nachlat Tzion, Nahalat Tzvi, Succat Shalom, Ein Kerem, Ezrat Yisroel, Etz Chaiim, Katamon, Kiryat Moshe, Rehavia, Romema, The Jewish Quarter, The Armenian Quarter, The Muslim Quarter, The Christian Quarter and Shikh Jarach.��Neviim Street, running the length of it from Damascus Gate in the east through Davidka Square in the West, consists of a collection of structures for preservation from the time it was built in 1850 until today.��On the 20th of the month of Sivan a Live Museum took place in the German Colony where stories were told about the Templer period and beyond. If one would like to browse through pictures of this event just ask for the pictures named The Templers.��Today a new section of Mishkenot Shaananim has been inaugurated. It is an example of combining the old and new on the topic of preservation in Jerusalem as the local architects use their ability to add new sections while, with great respect, they continue to care and nurture the old ones.�Interested people can find pictures of the site with the name Mishkenot.� Safra Square  tel    6297182   fax   6297386

sincerely Green Carmel

Dear Editors web site called: Jerusalem chipus shimur atarim  = search site preservation Municipality of Jerusalem official web site when you write site number: 2638 refaeli street רחוב רפאלי shechuna: 5 Square  Lamp  (kikar menorah 5) ככר מנורה 5 Bet Knesset Or Zaruaa is written = Or Zaruaa synagogue

בית כנסת אור זרוע http://jerdocfiles.jerusalem.muni.il/pages/pmaindocfiles.aspx

in some computers this site had "translate" option = you can type the number 2638  and also find Refaeli street  and 5 Square   Lamp

Jerusalem Municipality confirmation site Preservation Or Zaruaa synagogue
Dear Mr. Avivi-Green, ��Your request is answered below. ��Regards, ��Ben Moore ��Foreign Affairs and Media Division �Mayor of Jerusalem �+972-2-629-6259�Asst_FA@Jerusalem.muni.il ��To Mr.Avivi Green ��Dear sir�:  to be discussed: your application for confirmation of preservation�status of refaely 3 address'Zaruaa synagogue �1. this building in protected by the �zoning plane no.3423 :" list of monuments". �2. Further on, it's also protected by the: list of building for �preservation (his no. is: site 2638). ��Yours sincerely, ��Benjamin Avigdory �Architect at the Preservation Department �Jerusalem City Municipal


 * Dear Carmel Avivi-Green: I don't understand what you're trying to prove with all these posts. Please read WP:Reliable sources and you'll see that you need PUBLISHED sources to satisfy Wikipedia's verifiability policy. E-mails do not qualify. The link in your previous post to the Jerusalem preservation sites does not include a title or explanation of what the list refers to. Do you have a link to a page – even in Hebrew – that clearly states that Or Zarua is on the Jerusalem preservation list? Then use that as a reference in the article. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:26, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Dear editor Yoninah Indeed the web site is called in Hebrew CHIPUS   ATAREY SHIMUR Meaning you can find here site preservation ,it is written on top of the link to the file with Beth Knesset Or Zaruaa synagogue located on 3 Refaely street  with  site for preservation number 2638 the preservation plan number 3423 is shown also with the photos caption  all in the offical Jerusalem municipality web site. Carmel

Dear Yoninah editor typing in Hebrew letters בית הכנסת אור זרוע BEIT HAKNESSET OR ZARUAA http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D7%91%D7%99%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%A1%D7%AA_%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A8_%D7%96%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A2.JPG

the photo caption summary includes in to Hebrew additional English description = " This is a photo of a heritage building in Israel. Its ID  is 2-3000-594   " MARCH 10,2013 CARMEL
 * I was thinking of taking a picture of the shul myself either earlier or later in the day. The sun is not in a great position in this image. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:25, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Dear editor Yoninah Thanks for your offer. I added now an updated photo which  shows the  Or Zaruaa Synagogue building on number 3  Refali Shmuel street in Jerusalem. Carmel

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LEGAL DOCUMENT JERUSALEM COURT OR ZARUAA  SYNAGOGUE

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The link through the internet ( the wikipedia did not allow the full link it wasblock filtered www.justice.gov.il  orzarua.doc   a "word" file . when you type in Google Hebrew letters בית כנסת  אור זרוע

There is a פסק דין   written document    by  judge    זילר Ziler, Jerusalem  Court בית משפט מחוזי ירושלים dated 19.2.97 on page 3 of the judge decision regarding בית הכנסת "אור זרוע" Or Zaruaa synagogue

LINE 19: ....The authority declared this building for preservation ( see plan 3423, a house  among the list of building with architectural  or historic value....) כזה הוא בית הכנסת שמדובר בו ואין תימה שהרשות המוסמכת הכריזה על בנין זה כעל בנין שיש לשמרו   ראה תכנית 3423  שינוי מס, 27185  בית מס  14 ברשימת בנינים בעל ערך אדריכלי או היסטורי נסח  ו לתצהיר מטעם המבקש). המבקש  להתרשם  מבית כנסת זה  יוכל לצפות בצילומים יפים  ( נספחים ג  ד  ה  מוצג  מב/2 )  Carmel

Government of Israel RSHUMOT YALKUT Ha'PIRSUMIM 5.11.1989 Or Zaruaa synagogue
Dear editor Yoninah by typing in Hebrew letters into internet search engine google

בית כנסת אור זרוע ירושלים

Or Zaruaa Synagogoue Yerushalayim you find the link : http://www.nevo.co.il/Law_word/law10/yalkut-3712.pdf Government of Israel RSHUMOT YALKUT  HA'PIRSUMIM  3712 Offical Publication from 5.11.1989 on page 305 announcemnet : according to Law of planning and construction IN Jerusalem The committee of planning and construction office received the following plan:

"Plan number 3424 change number 27/85 continues on page 306 Building with architectual and or historic value:.... 14) Or Zaruaa synagogoue, 3  Refaeli streey, center of city, bloc number  30109,   plot of land number 5

The main plan changes instructions: determining buildings preservation, monuments and unique buildings that posses architectural and or historic value  and division of preservation grades.

רשומות ילקוט הפרסומים ז בחשון התש"ן    3712 עמוד 305 הודעות לפי חוק התכנון והבנייה

מחוז ירושלים מרחב תכנון מקומי ירושלים

הודעה בדבר הפקדת שינויי תכניות מתאר מקומיות

נמסרה בזה הודעה בהתאם לסעיף 89 לחוק  התכנון והבנייה  התשכה  1965   כי במשרדי הוועדה המחוזי לתכנון ולבנייה מחוז ירושלים  ובמשרדי הוועדה המקומית לתכנון ולבנייה ירושלים  הופקדו  שינויי תכניות אלה:

(2) " תכנית מספר 3423  שינוי מספר 27/85 לתכנית מתאר מקומית לירושלים" ואלה השטחים הכלולים בשינוי התכנית ירושלים

עמוד 306 בנינים בעלי ערך אדריכלי ו או היסטורי - (14) בית כנסת "אור זרוע"  רחוב רפאלי 3  מרכז העיר  גוש 30109  חלקה  5

עיקרי הוראות שינוי התכנית: קביעת שימור בניינים מונומנטים  ומבנים יחודיים בעלי ערך אדריכלי ו  או  היסטורי וחלוקה לדרגות שימור

Hope this OFFICIAL LEGAL PUBLISHED document from 1989 satisfies as "citation needed" for Or Zaruaa In Addition The Judge in court wrote about Or Zaruaa in 1997  according to the above  list (building number 14) Carmel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carmel avivi-green (talk • contribs) 05:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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