Talk:Amy Courter

Picture of Courter on Main Page
This picture of Courter wearing the Air Force uniform is a Photoshop version of a much earlier photograph. This one is identical to her photo when she had one star, and might be from when she was a Colonel.

The Civil Air Patrol publication in which she is "pinned" with the rank of Major General shows a radically different looking Courter who is much heavier than this image.

The bottom line on this is that the Courter picture of her wearing two stars, in this article, is a fabrication as evidenced by the actual image of her in the Civil Air Patrol publication of when she actually received the rank of two stars (Maj Gen). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.32.254.233 (talk) 22:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

The official picture, taken by the United States Air Force photographer at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery Alabama, was provided by the USAF Public Affairs Office in 2008. This photo was uploaded and posted on June 21, 2014. This photo was approved for use by the USAF, as they deemed that since Courter's picture had been taken for her Brigadier General (1-star) official photos just months before, they declined to take another and the PAO updated the photo. Therefore this is the official photo for use by the federal government.Capsfuture (talk) 16:43, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Dead Links
www.capsfuture.com is a dead link. The link should be removed from this page as it doesn't work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.190.9 (talk) 20:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Marital Status
The links do not work on this site - apparently, she killed her external website! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.190.9 (talk) 23:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Married? Single? Divorced? Other? ColDickPeters (talk) 15:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Relevance? --OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Typically included in wikipedia articles about a living person. Why does this bother you?  ColDickPeters (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Because you have shown yourself to have an agenda against the topic of CAP. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 01:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Courter is a lesbian, she is "married" to (this is real, but not the more famous one) Lisa Presley... and you can find the references online! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.190.9 (talk) 22:06, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The entire subject falls under WP:FART or if you prefer WP:GOSSIP --  Etamni &#124;  &#9993;  08:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Sexual orientation is none of your business - unless you're trying to garner a relationship with her. Or unless you have devious intentions.

Courter is not married - I can find no records online or in a search. Please cite your "references online!" that you claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capsfuture (talk • contribs) 16:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 December 2012
I found untrue statements posted on this page and I requested help. Perhaps in doing so, the page is now semi-protected. I pasted here the entire text from the page, because I had worked for an hour on multiple changes to make the page accurate. Would someone please use this to replace the information on the page, so that I don't lose all my edits? THANK YOU! (And I will get more active on wikipedia, so that I become an established user and then I will research to find references so I can cite them to help. You'll see a reference to Amy Courter's biography on a .gov domain, so I hope you can use this to allow these changes to be made quickly.)

Each of the areas required some fixing to be accurate, so the edits are spread throughout the general, career, education and cap service sections.

Capsfuture (talk) 16:52, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * that's not an edit request; that is a complaint combined with a paste of an entire article onto a talk page, an act which can be seen as disruptive. Please make a specific request, such as "in this section, change these words to these other words and provide a rationale. Thank you - Killer Chihuahua 17:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I was in the process of editing the whole page when it was semi-protected - this meant that my hours of edits would not save. That is why I had the whole page in my paste buffer and I pasted it as was. The game changed while I was on the court, and I was trying not to lose all of my work. If there had been a way to notify me that during my edit the protection had chnaged, that would have been helpful.

Thanks for your help. I hope you understand my position and recognize that I wasn't attempting to paste my page again, but rather to paste the code that I had invested hours in chnaging.

Capsfuture (talk) 16:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST 19 DEC 2012 - CHANGE 1
CURRENT EDUCATION SECTION:

Education Courter graduated from Kalamazoo College in 1983 with a bachelor’s degree in psychology. She also earned secondary school teaching certifications in psychology, computer science and mathematics.[3] Courter played Women's Basketball and Field Hockey as a Kalamazoo Hornet, and studied abroad in France at the Université de Strasbourg.[4]

REPLACE EDUCATION SECTION WITH:

Education
Amy Courter graduated from Kalamazoo College in 1983 with a bachelor’s degree in psychology and education, minoring in computer science and mathematics. She also earned secondary school teaching certifications in psychology, computer science and mathematics. Courter played Women's Basketball and Field Hockey as a Kalamazoo Hornet, and studied abroad in France at the Université de Strasbourg.

REASONING: FIXED BROKEN CITATION AND ACCURACY.
 * Yes check.svg Y Done Bjelleklang -  talk 21:51, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST 19 DEC 2012 - CHANGE 2
CURRENT CAREER SECTION:

Career Before becoming CAP's National Commander, Courter served as Vice President of information-technology and telecom at Valassis, a marketing company in Michigan. In 2005, she left this position under unclear circumstances. From 2011 to 2012, she was Chief Information Officer at VisionIT, a Detroit-based consulting firm. She left this position after a year, again for unclear reasons. REPLACE WITH:

Career
Courter served as Vice President of Information Technology and Telecom at Valassis, a marketing company in Michigan. Courter began as a mid-level manager at Valassis, accepting increasingly more strategic roles, overseeing all IT efforts globally for the last 14 of her 20 years there. Valassis is a publicly traded $2.3 billion company (NYSE:VCI). In 2005, she planned her departure from Valassis to enable her to work in other industries - notably health care and manufacturing. After serving her country full-time in the CAP, upon her successful completion of term as national commander in August 2011, she joined as Chief Information Officer at VisionIT, a Detroit-based IT project and staffing firm. During a portion of her executive role supporting VisionIT, she doubly served as Interim CFO. She completed her assignment at VisionIT in order to handle family affairs after her father, a WWII Army Veteran, passed away in 2012.

REASONING: FIXED ACCURACY AND REPAIRED BROKEN CITATIONS.
 * There are two issues here;
 * the first ref doesn't say anything about overseeing global IT efforts, and it says that she's been with Valassis for 18 years, not 20.
 * I'd also like to see a source for the sentences after the last reference. Although better than what we have today, claims such as "served as interim CFO" needs to be backed up with a reference.

I also added a ref to the biography from the actual article, as it mentions her working within healthcare. Bjelleklang -  talk 22:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

RESPONSE TO TWO ISSUES:
 * thank you for adding the ref to the article
 * here are new references that state the global efforts and 20 years - there will be a more cogent showing of this once Courter's website is back online. Please update wiki page with these for now, and I will watch and update additional references as they are available. Thank you.


 * Courter served as interim CFO for 4 months and it is only on internal documentation to VisionIT, that I can tell. They are a private company and would not release anything when I inquired of them yesterday, but a financial employee had concurred with the statement that "Courter served as Interim CFO" as additional duty during her tenure as CIO.  Courter will be relaunching amycourter.com in the next month and a new resume will include it. along with a letter of reference from VisionIT.  If you could post now to help resolve some of the concerns from people viewing the improper earlier posts questioning her career efforts, Courter would appreciate it.

Capsfuture (talk) 17:44, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The two new references didn't mention the 20 years, but the CAP biography did although I didn't see it the first time. Added most of the paragraph, but we still need a reference for the last part (which has been left out of the article until a source can be provided. Bjelleklang -  talk 20:07, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST 19 DEC 2012 - CHANGE 3
CURRENT national commander SECTION:

National Commander Courter was the first female member of CAP to attain the rank of Brigadier General and Major General. In 2007, Courter became the Civil Air Patrol's Acting National Commander. She was elected to a regular three year term as National Commander in 2008.[1] [5] On August 7, 2008, during the 2008 Civil Air Patrol National Board and Annual Conference, Courter was elected to remain as Civil Air Patrol's National Commander. She was promoted two days later at the conclusion of the conference.[1][2]

REPLACE WITH:

National Commander
Courter is the first female member of CAP to attain the ranks of Brigadier General and Major General. In 2007, Courter first became the Civil Air Patrol Acting National Commander. Upon successful completion of the remaining term of her predecessor, she was elected to a full three year term as National Commander on August 7, 2008, during the 2008 Civil Air Patrol National Board and Annual Conference. She was promoted to Major General. After successful completion of her tenure in August 2011, she received the highest recognition of service from Civil Air Patrol, the "Life Membership." The National Executive Committee granted her permanent grade of Major General at their next meeting.

REASONING: FIX GRAMMATICAL ERRORS, FIX REFERENCE CITATION BREAKAGE.

Capsfuture (talk)


 * I moved the reference a bit further down in the text, as it also covers the promotion and election. One issue here; I'd like to have a reference for the last two sentences if possible. Bjelleklang -  talk 22:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

RESPONSE:
 * I can't find an online reference, but there are plenty of photos of the event at the national conference and the plaque awarding her life membership of CAP. I will work to find some to support it and add them.  Thanks.

Capsfuture (talk) 18:14, 20 December 2012 (UTC)